is survivability really still a big issue?

[Kianor]

[Jaraman]

[Scowls]

[Tarnnok]

[Kozul]

[Giac]

[Kianor]

Well, I've tried to go back a few months to the first few times I went into Anguish, to find a log from then, when I had entirely Qvic/Time gear.... I actually couldn't find a log where I got hit more than once or twice. Now, I was trying to impress my new guild, so I was definitely not slacking in heals and slows, but I was being a little circumspect - getting agro and dying a lot isn't impressive either.

Here is the earliest one I found, and it's also the first time I died to Anguish trash. At that point, I was still in almost entirely Time/Qvic gear, and would have been around 11k HP buffed, around 1800 AC, around 25-30 avoidance, 6 shielding, and around 100 less AA. At that point I had Reflexive Mastery 5 and Innate Defense 5.

2 mobs on me again (and a third at the end from low health agro), this time heal agro, probably from healing the warrior who'd pulled before the other mobs were tanked properly.

I still don't see any quadding for 10k.....

[Mon Jun 27 17:50:31 2005] You begin casting Ancient: Wilslik's Mending.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:32 2005] a dragorn attendant executes a FLURRY of attacks on (warrior)!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:33 2005] Your Talisman of the Elements flickers with a pale light.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:33 2005] You have healed (warrior) for 3748 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:33 2005] (warrior)'s wounds heal.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:34 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 933 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:34 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 1160 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:34 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:35 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 1387 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:35 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 308 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 1387 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior diode tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior diode tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:37 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:37 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 308 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:37 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 989 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] You begin casting Ancient: Wilslik's Mending.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 478 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 1273 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] A lightning warrior diode tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] a dragorn attendant says 'You will not evade me (cleric)!'
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] a lightning warrior diode drops a writhing lighting bolt upon its fallen opponent.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] (cleric) has been slain by a lightning warrior diode!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 649 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 308 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 876 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A dragorn attendant hits YOU for 308 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A dragorn attendant tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] a dragorn attendant stands over the corpse and laughs.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A dragorn attendant hits YOU for 1389 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] You have been slain by a dragorn attendant!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:42 2005] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:44 2005] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[XeroOmega]

I think everyone can agree that the biggest limitation in the effectiveness of AG is the total size of the rune, scaling something like that wouldn't be hard if it were based on a person's current HP, though I don't really see the need to add more math than there needs to be.

simply increasing the size of the rune alongside the mitigation percentage would drastically improve its usability. 5, 10, and 15k for each respective level of AG would really make the spell much more useful, as I see it.

[Kianor]

And here's what that log would have looked like if I'd used AG3 at the very start:

[Mon Jun 27 17:50:31 2005] You begin casting Ancient: Wilslik's Mending.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:32 2005] a dragorn attendant executes a FLURRY of attacks on (warrior)!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:33 2005] Your Talisman of the Elements flickers with a pale light.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:33 2005] You have healed (warrior) for 3748 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:33 2005] (warrior)'s wounds heal.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:34 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 233 points of damage. (was 933, rune takes 700)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:34 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 290 points of damage. (was 1160, rune goes up to 1480)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:34 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:35 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 344 points of damage. (was 1387, rune to 2522)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:35 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 77 points of damage. (was 308, rune to 2753)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 344 points of damage. (was 1387, rune to 3796)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior diode tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:36 2005] A lightning warrior diode tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:37 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:37 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 77 points of damage. (was 308, rune to 3873)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:37 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 247 points of damage. (was 989, rune to 4615)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] You begin casting Ancient: Wilslik's Mending.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 120 points of damage. (was 478, rune to 4973)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 1246 points of damage. (was 1273, rune used up)
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] A lightning warrior diode tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:38 2005] a dragorn attendant says 'You will not evade me (cleric)!'
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] a lightning warrior diode drops a writhing lighting bolt upon its fallen opponent.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] (cleric) has been slain by a lightning warrior diode!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight hits YOU for 649 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:39 2005] A lightning warrior ohm knight tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 308 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 27 17:50:40 2005] A lightning warrior diode hits YOU for 876 points of damage.


At this point, instead of being dead, I would have taken 5000 less damage, and would not have gotten low health agro. Assuming I had 11000 hp to start with, at this point I would have 5845 HP left, and an extra few seconds for my own heal to land, or for other people to react to me getting hit.

So, AG absorbs 5000 damage.

Is that a lot? No, not really. 5000hp isn't a huge amount when mobs hit for 1387.

Is it an improvement? Definitely, no-one can say otherwise.

Is it enough? Possibly - at least it buys a little extra time, and in situations like this where our healers usually assist heal pretty promptly and have HoTT, and tanks are pretty good at taking agro back from casters, it may well be enough.

[Kozul]

if you think that warrior not grabbing agro fast enough off of you does not impact a shaman's ability to survive, then you are wrong, because if that doesn't happen, then no matter who you are, you will likely die. I can survive long enough just as well as any caster class, if a chanter can cast a rune, then we can get a heal off, can't rule out heals because they are not passive mitigation like a rune. This is pointless, I'm done with this thread, people cry too much about every little thing, and want radical changes so we can tank main heal cc and slow all at once apparently (which we CAN do in a lot zones now, and I'm not talking about crappy ones either).

EDIT: besides cleric obviously

[Ungkor]

[Maccuul]

[Kianor]

[Gaknab]

[Brohg]

[Maccuul]

[Giac]

[Ungkor]

[Scowls]

[Gaknab]

[Giac]

[Gaknab]

Giac,

I suggest you read the title of this thread "is survivability really still a big issue?"

This topic has absolutely nothing to do with class balance.

[Veril]

[Kianor]

[Kozul]

[Giac]

[Kozul]

[OMGcookiecrisp]

[Giac]

[korelen]

[Maccuul]

[Karshak_rn]

[Kianor]

[Scowls]

[Ungkor]

[Giac]

[Tarnnok]

[Cronikk]

[Bloxr Fatso]

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