by dindaur » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:19 pm
i wrote a decent response, and then turned off the computer...
here's the second try.
firstly, stop trying to post my own opinion for me~
That is not how i would write a summary for what I think about the current setup.
secondly, nin's a regular poster, not a troll. most people had no opinion, the thread had 4 - 5 participants, you took one stance, i the other, and the rest were indifferent or open to change. i could but wont argue you did not have support, but what is the point? that whole thought process is a waste of time. instead, lets focus on the meat.
Basically, Akera came up. Hulk's view, Akera was useful, then it got taken away, and was no longer useful, and now he wants Akera back, to make it useful again. I suggested why not load an existing stun, because he by his own admission leaves many stuns unmemmed. if akera is the same line as other stuns, why would you argue against that logic and try to grant yourself the stun just for its benefit, against the backdrop of having cease desist and contrition for oh-shit stuns. the gist is all of us use solumn force / force of timorous and aa-stun. we build upon that. when we need more aggro, we have contrition, cease and desist. hulkling's point is because Cont has a knockback, long recast delay, he will not use it. we can ignore the mana cost, because it is not an issue, you will never be casing a stun that long in a fight, especially with a 24 second recourse, 2 casts a minute, with a cost of 300ish? mana, meaning 600ish a minute, so if you had a pool of 6k... you'd have 6 minutes of casting. a 80 paladin has more like 12k+ mana. But then the issue is why not cease / desist? Hulk's reason is the cast time is faster. Because akera is SLIGHTLY faster than cease, he wants it back, and wants to ignore cease. I ask why? and he says the akera method is effective. I'm not convinced. I am not convinced we can just ignore cease / desist / contrition and add akera back. Instead, make cease / desist usable ( in his eyes, to me, they work fine ) or make contrition usable ( in his eyes, again i dont mind the knockback, i never need it on group stuff / trash, just on raid mobs rarely, usually just on the odd raid mob ). I ask have you tried cease / desist / contrition, i do not get a response. i feel hulkling is just being stubborn here, i think if he tried cease / desist / contrition he would have no problem holding aggro. instead, he wants akera just cause'. My response is i dont think we should waste Dev requests on frivolous things, and if the best we can come up with for why akera should come back is just cause' i think its just frivolous. can we still hold aggro? yes. does ANYONE have problems with aggro atm? no. why bring akera back then? on the side note, contrition is a spell brought into play every year with upgrades, it is the easiest spell to change because it goes on the chop block regularly. we may even get a new version this winter. it is also the stun that ACTUALLy works on the content we'd be fighting. i consider old sub 55 stuns a last resort, whether they be more effective or not, i use the higher level tools first, and never find i am unable to keep up etc. my fellow paladins have different tactics, for fun i've fought for aggro with our best guy, and my technique is as good as his. there isnt a big difference, i just use 2x force and aa-stun and chain 'em, i dont lose aggro, which is the point. if you add akera, when you are already holding aggro, you surpass the need of the content by a larger margin. why do that, why gimp content? why purposely make the game easier. when asked if he has tried other tactics, hulk doesn't respond, and instead makes incisions of text from my questions and uses them as fodder for argument. this is food for irritation. at base, i would hate to see us promote a change that would take away from the difficulty of the game. to add aggro without need has consequences, and eats at the integrity of the game. hulk's tactics pale in comparison to the need for the game to retain difficulty and challenge. upgrade where we need it, define need by making the impossible possible, not by convenience.
on the other leg, contrition should be useful to every paladin, not just me, and if the herd says no to knockback, and it doesnt effect game balance any, then axe it and make contrition a regular on spell gems, not some sub 55 shit stun. make contrition akera. dont add more, make what we have better.