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Guild personel question

Postby Rolane2 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:18 pm

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Re: Guild personel question

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Postby Macnair » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:13 pm

There's both a logistics issue and a psychological issue involved, I think.

Logistics. Back in the day, raiding Talendor and Vindi and such, we had people who were very leary of taking part, because corpse recovery was such a dreary affair. With the guild lobby it's now maybe 15 minutes, but I remember two hour recoveries in Kael Drakkel. That intimidated a lot of people.

One thing we learned was to have a clearly-established recovery strategy in place: what is our plan for dealing with a wipe?

Nowadays there are so many bots and 2boxes available, it should be very easy to camp an alt in a safe place nearby -- cleric paladin necro shaman or druid all work at this point -- so that if we all die, we wait for the mobs to wander away from our pull spot, log in the alt, rezz or summon a cleric, rezz the raid, and continue.

Psychology. Getting killed sucks; so if we are losing, doesn't it make sense to get out of here? It's easy to think that way.

But here's an alternative way of thinking: "If we win every time, we are settling for content that is too easy for us." So we want to expect that we are going to die / wipe / lose a significant portion of the time, as we put every single hitpoint on the line to see how much more we can accomplish than last time.

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Postby Bethiana » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:38 pm

What you need to do is very simple. Find out where his bind point is, and set an officer alt there on a second account at the start of the next 'raid'. When he gates, have a hotkey set up

/point (offender's name)
/shout SOANDSO HAS DISPROPOTIONATELY SMALL GENITALS AND RUNS FROM FIGHTS
/snicker
/shout ALSO, HE LOST HIS VIRGINITY TO HIS HAND IN THE PUBLIC RESTROOM OF AN ANIME CONVENTION.
/guildremove (offender's name)

Screenshot it, then post here when you're done.



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Postby KB » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:16 pm

Id pay to see that.
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Postby runeshaman » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:22 pm

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Postby Fenier » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:04 pm

Imo, warn him once - which is more then he deserves, if he fails, remove him.

That kind of stuff isn't worth the time needed to deal with it consisantly.
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Postby Scowls » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:06 am

The problem is trust, and inexperience. the cleric thinks he is saving the "raid" by gating, much the same that would be done back in the ldon days, cleric could get out run back and rez everyone. the problem is is unaware that nearly every class has "o shit" buttons also. when shit hits the fan, its on every member present to dump every resource into surviving. ONLY after its plain and clear that a wipe is imminent, the raid leader should be giving the command to run/evac/camp. if the raid leader doesnt give the command, you stay...period. possibly this person is afraid of dieing...which is plain ass sily since its NOT a real person, but a pixel character, and in this day and age of rogue drags, shaman rezzing, guild hall summoning, and expediant recovery, death is just a form of gate half the time.

the cleric needs help, he needs to learn to use his o shit buttons (or buy those aa and then use them, like div arb, celestial healing, mem DA's instead, epic clicks..yada yada yada). he needs to realize that gating is hurting the guild, not saving it. and that dieing to Uber_boss_203 is ok, and its happened before in EQ. The way i read your post was that your shorthanded on clerics as it is, but if you work with the cleric some, gain his trust (rangers/rogue..hell even chanters can emergency tank, dont quit just because a pally dies) and understanding of how to dig in and fight back against hard mobs, then i would consider letting them go. its a drastic step in these days of EQ where player base is shrinking, and core classes are hard to find


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Postby Ubundi » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:41 am

Maybe just suggesting that if it is going pear shaped then it would be better to camp out, come back in a few mins later and start the rezzing from wipe. If he insists on gating he is a liability and no use to the guild. What to do with him, well, that depends on how much to need a cleric who is going to bolt in a crisis.
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Postby Galelor » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:05 am

wizards are number 1 imo lol.
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Postby Veril » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:44 am

I find if I am in a DPS group with more than 3 melees I live a long time. I'm panthering, splashing a little healing in the group, splashing a little DoT/Rain. I'm not generating a lot of aggro.

If I'm in a caster heavy group then there'a no panthers to speak of, so I'm laying on DoT's/Nukes/Rains or Spamming the MA-Assist-Rampage. I'm high on the aggro list, and when it all goes wrong, I'm the MA for 1-2 rounds before a visit to my bind point.

As a shaman I have precisly 1 way to minimise my aggro generation - Do less. That's it.
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Postby Grendalkhan » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:46 pm

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Postby Brohg » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:46 am

Alternately, you can make a habit of parsing. Like, do it every night, and make it a matter of course. The key is tracking total damage, not useless 'dps' figures.
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