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The Spirit Realm • View topic - Complacency, pt 2.... shammy DPS

Complacency, pt 2.... shammy DPS

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Postby Scalia » Thu May 25, 2006 9:40 am

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Postby siludorf » Thu May 25, 2006 2:50 pm

A high end Cleric or Druid won't get 1 rounded by a 10k damage, one day shaman can say the same =/
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Postby Brohg » Thu May 25, 2006 7:35 pm

Rangers bust 1k dps on raid burn fights np, dude. Three of five guild rangers do it every time. One of the other two is an app who hasn't looted Fero yet. Hell, good beastlords are 1k dps on raids with shm & bard grouped.
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Postby Jaraman » Fri May 26, 2006 10:56 am


The best solution is not either/or, but best-of.
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Postby Jaraman » Sat May 27, 2006 5:52 pm

More annoying beating of the dead horse:

Damage shields: What's a good assumption of how many times the MT gets hit per tic? 4?
Might: Is the +5% damage modifier directly applied to melee damage done?
Haste: Do we figure that only half of our 60% haste affects melee damage output?

All 3 combined: given the sparse condition of only one melee (the MT) in the group, averaging 500 DPS before these buffs, can we assume +200 DPS from them (25 DS, 25 might, 150 haste)?

Further, (minus the DS potion only for the MT), could we not say for each additional melee, who will surely be doing more than 500 base DPS each, we can add another +200 DPS per melee in the group??

Conservatively, if these numbers seem high, we can cut the estimates in half . We then get +100 DPS per melee that a shaman adds to his group's DPS.... I think you can see where I'm going with this....it is at the very least an overlooked +200 to 400 DPS shaman can bring to the group via their buffs alone...
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Postby Brohg » Sat May 27, 2006 6:37 pm

Those numbers are way off. I guess that's about all I can say.
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Postby Scowls » Sat May 27, 2006 6:45 pm

see what obsessing about numbers does? not a damn thing.

shaman add to melee efficiency, in many indirect ways...thats why melee drool over getting a shaman in the group. sure we add dirct dps thru them (panther) and dots/nukes of our own. who gets credit for the panther procs , the melee accourding to parsers. and if that keeps them wanting shaman in group and not as a buff bot on the side, GREAT...we're still employed.

you can probably send the numbers to nasa and get results bacak about the time we land on jupiter, and define as a whole the difference between shaman in and not in a group. there is way to many variables (wunshi/champ indirectly affecting mele output) and even if it were all boiled down...the next mob mitigates piercing and slashing or has super high ac...toss it out the window and start over


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Postby Giac » Sun May 28, 2006 1:13 am

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Postby Jaraman » Sun May 28, 2006 1:47 pm

Except for DPS from buffs, DPS from panther and DoTs have been parsed before:

40 DPS, pet
90 DPS, panther on pets
60 DPS, panther on melees
60 DPS, given shammy melee here
180 DPS, Nectar of Pain
160 DPS, Curse of Sisslak

That's 590 DPS there using a 2/2 panther/dot model. I don't see what's so hard to understand here, unless you're disputing individual parse numbers here. Hell, even if every one of those easily verified numbers are off by +10 DPS each --which they're not-- you're still looking at 530 DPS....

FFS, still think NoP and Sisslak DPS too high? Take another 10 DPS off each, for 160 NoP and 140 Sisslak... shit, let's take off 10 more DPS from shammy panther procs..... we're still at 500 DPS. Easily. Sustained. Sustainable.

30 DPS, pet -10
80 DPS, panther on pets -10
40 DPS, panther on melees -20
50 DPS, given shammy melee here -10
160 DPS, Nectar of Pain -20
140 DPS, Curse of Sisslak -20

500 DPS, low-balled. Keep up one more panther on a group pet, and you're visiting 600 DPS. Figure in your indirect DPS via your group buffs, and you're visiting 700 DPS. Low-balled. Proactive. Game of inches. Glass half-full, working with what you got. On top of your game. Trying...
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Postby jdthomas » Sun May 28, 2006 3:13 pm

Well, I don't run a parser, so I'll leave this for the rest of you to work out. This should be pretty much what you're describing Jaraman. I went to nc and killed a murk. I had all relevant shaman buffs and dogdog was suspended raid buffed.
Run it through your parsers, but stop when the sisslak runs out. The mob was low enough I didn't bother redotting. Weapon I was using is hammer of hours with deepsky stone.

[Sun May 28 14:02:30 2006] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Sun May 28 14:02:35 2006] You begin casting Idol of Malos.
[Sun May 28 14:02:37 2006] You conjure the idol of Malos.
[Sun May 28 14:02:41 2006] You begin casting Spirit of the Panther.
[Sun May 28 14:02:43 2006] Vasarn growls with the spirit of the panther.
[Sun May 28 14:02:43 2006] Your Volcanic Farcaster Stone sparkles.
[Sun May 28 14:02:46 2006] You begin casting Spirit of the Panther.
[Sun May 28 14:02:48 2006] You begin to snarl as your features become feline.
[Sun May 28 14:02:48 2006] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sun May 28 14:02:51 2006] You begin casting Balance of Discord.
[Sun May 28 14:02:53 2006] Your spell was mostly successful.
[Sun May 28 14:02:53 2006] Your Facade of Fright sparkles.
[Sun May 28 14:02:56 2006] You begin casting Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:02:59 2006] A murkglider's veins turn a vile shade of green.
[Sun May 28 14:02:59 2006] Your Facade of Fright sparkles.
[Sun May 28 14:02:59 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 134 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:02:59 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun May 28 14:03:00 2006] A murkglider has taken 775 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:00 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:00 2006] Vasarn kicks a murkglider for 22 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:00 2006] Vasarn tells you, 'Attacking a murkglider Master.'
[Sun May 28 14:03:02 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:02 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:02 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:03 2006] You begin casting Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:03 2006] a murkglider begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:03 2006] Gloom toxin attacks your system.
[Sun May 28 14:03:04 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:04 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:04 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:05 2006] Vasarn tries to kick a murkglider, but a murkglider parries!
[Sun May 28 14:03:05 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:05 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider dodges!
[Sun May 28 14:03:06 2006] A murkglider is wrapped in vengeful spirits.
[Sun May 28 14:03:06 2006] Your Facade of Fright sparkles.
[Sun May 28 14:03:06 2006] You have been granted a gift of mana!
[Sun May 28 14:03:06 2006] A murkglider has taken 801 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:06 2006] A murkglider has taken 624 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:07 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider parries!
[Sun May 28 14:03:07 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:08 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:09 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 28 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:09 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 30 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:10 2006] Vasarn tries to kick a murkglider, but a murkglider dodges!
[Sun May 28 14:03:11 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:11 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:11 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider parries!
[Sun May 28 14:03:12 2006] A murkglider has taken 741 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:12 2006] A murkglider has taken 641 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:12 2006] Auto attack is on.
[Sun May 28 14:03:12 2006] You crush a murkglider for 132 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:13 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 39 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:13 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:13 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:13 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 67 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:13 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 348 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:13 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 80 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:14 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:14 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:14 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 47 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:14 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:14 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 53 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:15 2006] Vasarn tries to bash a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:16 2006] The gloom toxin leaves your system.
[Sun May 28 14:03:16 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:16 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:16 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:16 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] A murkglider has taken 817 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] A murkglider has taken 670 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 80 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 65 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 39 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 67 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:18 2006] You crush a murkglider for 56 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:19 2006] a murkglider begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:19 2006] You resist the Gloom Toxin spell!
[Sun May 28 14:03:20 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 25 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:20 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:20 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:20 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 57 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:20 2006] Vasarn bashes a murkglider for 26 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:22 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:23 2006] A murkglider tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:23 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 30 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:23 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:23 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] A murkglider has taken 777 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] A murkglider has taken 595 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] You crush a murkglider for 59 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:24 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:25 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun May 28 14:03:25 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 134 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:25 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:25 2006] Vasarn tries to bash a murkglider, but a murkglider parries!
[Sun May 28 14:03:26 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:27 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider dodges!
[Sun May 28 14:03:27 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 62 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:27 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider dodges!
[Sun May 28 14:03:28 2006] Your gift of mana fades.
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 28 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 80 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:29 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:30 2006] A murkglider has taken 725 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:30 2006] A murkglider has taken 734 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:30 2006] Vasarn bashes a murkglider for 25 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 25 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 900 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] You deliver a critical blast! (900)
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:31 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:32 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 57 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:32 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:32 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:34 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:34 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:34 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider parries!
[Sun May 28 14:03:34 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 65 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:34 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 30 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:35 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:35 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:35 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:35 2006] You crush a murkglider for 132 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:35 2006] Vasarn tries to bash a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] A murkglider has taken 1300 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] A murkglider has taken 762 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] a murkglider begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] You resist the Gloom Toxin spell!
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 53 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 28 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:36 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:38 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:38 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:38 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:38 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 67 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:39 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:40 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:40 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:40 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:41 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 80 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:41 2006] A murkglider hits YOU for 152 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:41 2006] Vasarn tries to bash a murkglider, but a murkglider dodges!
[Sun May 28 14:03:41 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:41 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:41 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:42 2006] A murkglider has taken 661 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:42 2006] A murkglider has taken 1190 damage from your Curse of Sisslak.
[Sun May 28 14:03:42 2006] Your Curse of Sisslak spell has worn off of a murkglider.
[Sun May 28 14:03:43 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:43 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:43 2006] A murkglider bashes YOU for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:43 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 59 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:43 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:44 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 125 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:44 2006] A murkglider staggers.
[Sun May 28 14:03:44 2006] You have healed Cyrenn for 160 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:45 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:45 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:45 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but a murkglider parries!
[Sun May 28 14:03:46 2006] A murkglider tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:46 2006] Vasarn tries to bash a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:47 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:47 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:47 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 22 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:47 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 57 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:48 2006] A murkglider has taken 1442 damage from your Nectar of Pain.
[Sun May 28 14:03:48 2006] Your Nectar of Pain spell has worn off of a murkglider.
[Sun May 28 14:03:48 2006] You crush a murkglider for 77 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:49 2006] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sun May 28 14:03:50 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:50 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 50 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:52 2006] Vasarn tries to bash a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:52 2006] You crush a murkglider for 78 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:53 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:53 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:03:53 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:54 2006] You can't hit them from here.
[Sun May 28 14:03:55 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:55 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:55 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 33 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:55 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:56 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:56 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:56 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 30 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] Vasarn bashes a murkglider for 19 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:03:57 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:59 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 53 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:59 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:59 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 57 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:03:59 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:01 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:01 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:01 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 30 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:01 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 39 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:02 2006] a murkglider scowls at you, ready to attack -- it appears to be quite formidable.
[Sun May 28 14:04:02 2006] Vasarn kicks a murkglider for 19 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:03 2006] You crush a murkglider for 63 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:03 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 37 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:03 2006] Vasarn tries to bite a murkglider, but misses!
[Sun May 28 14:04:03 2006] Vasarn bites a murkglider for 70 points of damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] You begin casting Panther Maw.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] Cyrenn hit a murkglider for 400 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] Vasarn begins to cast a spell.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] You gain experience!!
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] a murkglider's corpse unleashes an eerie scream as it dies.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] A murkglider is rent by a savage maw.
[Sun May 28 14:04:05 2006] a murkglider has been slain by Vasarn!
[Sun May 28 14:04:08 2006] Vasarn says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'
[Sun May 28 14:04:08 2006] Vasarn says 'Waiting for your order to attack, Master.'
[Sun May 28 14:04:10 2006] --You have looted a Murkglider Stomach.--
[Sun May 28 14:04:10 2006] --You have looted a Black Pearl.--
[Sun May 28 14:04:12 2006] You begin casting Spirit Veil.
[Sun May 28 14:04:15 2006] You are obscured by a spirit veil.
[Sun May 28 14:04:18 2006] Your pet's Circle of Nettles spell has worn off.
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Postby Galelor » Sun May 28, 2006 5:06 pm

i just ran that log through eqcompanion and it showed -
197.84 dps for you
57.09 dps for Cyrenn
pet=zero dps.

my preferance have combine pet damage with owner /off. what is my issue here, i know this isn't right because the pet is doing DPS?
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Postby jdthomas » Sun May 28, 2006 7:01 pm

Okay, I downloaded yalp for parsing. I've no idea if yalp is a good parser or there are better ones, but it came up first on google ;)
I went to rcod to farm for a few hours. On trash mobs I root/rot them with sisslak, blood of yoppa, and necter of pain.

My dps... (all names killed at least 3x)
Baleful stoneworker: 375.86
dragorn guard: 365.54
elite ukun bloodbeast: 337.69
elite ukun deathhowler: 329.32

For the names I use breath of wunshi, blood of saryryn, blood of yoppa, necter of pain, bane, curse of sisslak, my pet and swarm pets for some (swarm pets show 50ish dps during their life, not added)
Kyv bowhound: 424.00
dragorn laborer: 539.11
stoneworker stonetooth: 527.66
ungi the swift: 504.17
And one last name, granitesmash for whom I use my regular spellset: 361.57

To be honest, I'm pretty surprised. I had calculated my dps as being substantially higher than this. Very disapointing.
Bear in mind, on the names, I was burning mana as quickly as I could, its totally unsustainable.

-addendum individual dot damage breakdown-
bane: 131.44
blood of saryrn: 82.54
blood of yoppa: 109.77
breath of wunshi: 58.62
curse of sisslak: 146.55
nectar of pain: 165.60
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Postby Jaraman » Sun May 28, 2006 7:13 pm

36 DPS Vasarn (1573 damage over 43 secs) // about normal
67 DPS puppy panthers (11 procs over 66 secs) // lower than expected; retron shows 68 DPS for leopard

153 DPS NoP (6597 damage over 43 secs) //
121 DPS Sisslak (5216 over 43 secs) //

50 DPS Cyrene panther procs (3300 over 66 secs) // about normal
15 DPS Cyrene melee (975 damage over 66 secs) // seems low, but I double-checked my old parses, and I also get around the same DPS for just weapon melee
2 DPS Cyrene weap procs (125 over 66 secs) // very odd that only one aug proc, and zero innate procs (750 for Time Lapse)

444 DPS total

24 DPS missing from weapon procs (1625 damage over 66 secs)
23 DPS missing from panther procs on pup (given Veril's 90 DPS parse)
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Postby Jaraman » Sun May 28, 2006 7:47 pm

I have to admit that I overestimated the average shaman's melee DPS potential. We can see from jd's post above that 10-15 DPS is to be expected. Of course it is just a single fight, and too short to be of any real significance. But it opened my eyes and made me look at where I got this imaginary 60 DPS number from. I dug thru some old BoT solo fights I did for the sole purpose of getting parse data:

2:38 sec fight (158 secs)

10 DPS from shammy melee (1642 dmg over 158 secs)

Not very impressive at all. But I always knew that shammy melee depended on procs:

750 (time lapse) x 3 ==> 2250
1687 (crit) x 1 ==> 1687
175 (faerie hex stone) x 4 ==> 700
393 (crit) x 1 ==> 393

32 DPS from weapon procs (5030 dmg over 158 secs)

So that's 42 DPS for melee + procs, still below the estimated 60 DPS. I had arrived at 240-250 DPS for me and my pup meleeing as a standard number I went off. Half of that was puppy (30-35 DPS + 90 from panther). The other half I attributed to Jaraman. Veril's melee estimate was 60 for melees, so I must have figured 60-65 DPS for shammy melee. I was wrong.

400 (panther) x 23 ==> 9200
900 (crit) x 6 ==> 5400

92 DPS from panther procs (14600 damage over 158 secs).

So there's where I misfigured. Total shammy melee contribution was indeed 120-125 DPS, half of the above figure. But I guess due to criticals (and CE?), Jara gets 92 DPS from panther (and not 60), 31 from weapon procs, and only 10 from the weapon itself.

133 DPS from Jara meleeing with panther
120-125 DPS from pup w/ panther (90 panther, 30-35 pup melee)

250ish DPS from non-DOT contributions, meleeing w/ panther
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Postby Jaraman » Sun May 28, 2006 7:55 pm

There also happened to be 5 parses with Spirit Call numbers:

8230 damage
11917 dmg
9315 dmg
9481 dmg
10039 dmg

9796 average damage from summoning puppy pack. Given 63 seconds for the duration of the pack, we get 155 DPS.

So we can expect about 10k per pack, or 150ish DPS.
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Postby Ungkor » Mon May 29, 2006 3:32 am

1. I'm totally confused what this thread's purpose is anymore hehe, and
2. Any shaman that is trying to get max DPS shouldn't be melee'ing. Rain+nuke>melee.

Here's a hanvar parse of me, with a bard in group if anyone's interested heh. Bard was not playing dot enchancing songs and didn't have his aura yet.. Hanvar like you know, is very easy to land poison on. Magic is a no go though.

My resists were at 600, so I had a minimal number of stuns to contend with. I'd be very surprised if anyone could find a 'real' raid mob that their guild is doing that they could get much higher than this. Shaldn Boc (sp?) in Tacvi, all spells land on easily. I guess if you are still doing Tacvi you might be able to crest above my 600'ish shown below.

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Postby Chutoi » Mon May 29, 2006 9:42 am

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Postby jdthomas » Mon May 29, 2006 9:53 am

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Postby siludorf » Mon May 29, 2006 4:12 pm

Brohg can you also get the parses from the necros and wizards that where there to compare?
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