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Patch Message - 04/19/2006

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Patch Message - 04/19/2006

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Postby Jaraman » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:33 pm

Those people posting on the Live forums all complaining about GoM getting blocked by Abundant Healing are seriously deluded. They're taking a very small remote chance and amplifying it into a huge issue. They're making a mountain range out of a molebump.

First of all, GoM still works on other spells besides quick heals. This means that there is less than the pure mathematical chance that follows, because the GoM random number generator is spreading its chances over other spells as well.

Assuming you have maxxed both GoM and AH, which is the only case where it will potentially block GoM, you will get a 1 in 10 chance of AH firing. If somehow the planets were in alignment on the instant you got that AH proc, there is another 1 in 10 chance that a GoM proc went off at that exact same time.... that's a 1% chance that both procced on the same quick heal cast....

They're bitching that in less than 1 in 100 quick heals they will get an AH proc that blocked a GoM proc. This means when you cast 100 quick heals, 10 of them are AH procs, 10 of them would have been GoM procs, and the other 80 are normal. With this "bug," 1 of those 10 GoM procs ends up being an AH proc instead. You can't even feel 1%.... unless you're one of those greedy little misers with 100 pennies for a dollar, and can "tell" when one cent is missing. :roll:

With both AAs, you get 20% chance of extra goodness (10% AH + 10% GoM). You get more healing power thanks to AH, and you get mana saved thanks to GoM. For those holding out on AH because of its 1% chance to block 1 in 10 GoM procs, you lose out on all that healing only to be satisfied that that super rare proc remains a GoM proc. Someone please enlighten me as to why I should sympathize with this needless whining?

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Postby Kanamori Hitatomi » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:42 pm

The way I'm reading what they're saying is that if you have the AH maxxed and GoM maxxed, the AH will block GoM from even checking, I think. A few people posted that with max of both, they received 0 GoM procs while they were receiving AH procs (ie, the way it was working prior to the patch and removal of AH aa's to fix them). Unfortunately, they forgot to add the correction they schemed up to today's patch. So, it's still broken. I'll listen to what the whiners have to say AFTER they put in the correct coding to fix the problem. Until then, they need to remove AH again . . .

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Postby Jaraman » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:15 pm

I agree that AH is still broken, and Rashere stated as much. Something about the code not getting inserted into the patch on the live servers. Another patch is supposed to fix this.

You're right that a successful AH proc will prevent GoM from even checking.... however, that's in the rare 1% chance that both occur on the same heal.

I bet after the patch to correct this goof, there will still be a bandwagon of complainers on some hyped-up issue that is really not true and insignificant.

In many ways, this ignorance reflects the attitudes of the Salem, Massachusetts mobs that hung a pretty young girl because they thought she was a witch. Pathetic.
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Postby Pinepath » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:34 am

The old saying about being able to prove anything you want with statistics has some merit, personally I thought I was soft-shoeing it. Myself, I consider it lying, when folks tweak the conditions to change the statistics to support their argument. Like I very specifically said 30 was 20 percent more than 25, yet someone has to point out that 25 isn't 20 percent less than 30. Hmm, either you are stupid, or you are deliberately twisting things. I consider it better in those situations to assume folks are twisting things rather than stupid, but it could go either way.

As far as the 1 percent thing... the simplest comparison to throw percents around, is number of GoM procs before buying AH, and the number of GoM procs after buying AH. And that is a 10 percent change, not 1 percent. Adding additional variables only serves to twist things.
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