wtf #261

[otakuryoga]

[KB]

[GheffGutterbrains]

[otakuryoga]

[Ganrin]

[Banebear]

[otakuryoga]

truly a classic....maybe the single most blockheaded stubborn poster on the boards ever

hey Samanna can we get that thread stickied in medicine cabinet just for the humor value?

[KB]

I'm scared to click that link. Not because Im worried what it might be, but because I KNOW what it is.

[jdthomas]

I haven't read that thread in forever. I'd forgotten just how much of an utter moron he was.

[sshiverr]

My head hurts just reading Bracy's posts.

[Nehtaniel]

I've got this pain, right behind my temples now.

[Shamylamy]

I hadn't ever heard of this thread and I've been around for a while. This is comedy gold I tell you what.

[Korvath]

[Jaraman]

[Rivitingribbit]

I sadly agree with Bracy on ONE point. If I cast panther on someone then those panther procs are my DPS not theirs. Panther is just a DoT i cast on my melee to deliver to the mob for me. In the same regard the damage increase from champ and haste is the same way. Do I care enough to try and tell them not to calculate it in their DPS? no. It doesn't matter, as long as everyone understands that by adding the shaman to the group we increased our DPS in XXX ways I am happy. Because if they don't realise why they are doing all that extra damage then next time you turn on LFG they may not grab you to add to the group b/c they already have a BST. But I get invites to groups all the time and they are usually stocked full of melees and I am happy to champ and panther every last one and then throw a DoT...and spot heal. An average shaman is basically capable of so much that they should leave a lasting impression on the group who should be thinking "wow that guy was doing a lot of stuff".

But in general melee understand this principle that a shaman greatly enhances a melee's DPS. And so if they want to add it to pad their numbers I really don't care, as long as all of them add it to their numbers its still a valid comparison between themselves. And in the end we shaman know that we increase DPS quite a bit, let alone do a decent amount of direct (dot/nuke/pet) dmg when we try. I don't however think we compare to rogs or necros. Or at least, I don't compare to the rogs and necros in my guild who pump out 900+ for rogs and 1100+ for the necros.

But I digress.

[Kaledorm]

[CrustyOldShaman]

[haxot]

*gurgles*
uhhh.. brain.. broke.. *blink*
help.. oww

[Journae]

I don't know which is funnier, Bracy's incredible ignorance or the fact that like 15 people keep trying to explain it over and over! Hilarious

[KB]

That thread was amazing to watch unfold, think I even have a post or two in there. Lots of posts were deleted as folks got a little too irritated and just couldn't restrain themselves any longer. The fact it was allowed to grow as large as it did suprised me every day. It is also the thread that made me start lurking the old shaman boards.

[Jaraman]

Aye, Riviting, I hear what you're saying. Sadly, that post was back when terms like sustained DPS were not yet common. Bracy got the definition of DPS wrong, had some PC vs. mob damge ratio in mind, then tried to switch the shift to damage efficiency. Slow time, rofl.

Nowadays we know that panther, haste, and champ are cooperative DPS that a shaman brings to the group. When a rogue or mage joins a group, the group's overall DPS goes up by X amount, and that rogue can look at his parses and go, yep, there's my X amount of damage I brought to the group. The shaman has to look at the group's DPS it had before and after he joined, and that's how much DPS he brings to the group. And that can be on the same level as another "true" DPS class. Looking at it this way, foolish Bracy was grasping at the truth, but being too pig-headed about it to be taken seriously.

[Macnair]

I cannot believe I read 9 pages of that ...

[Kanamori Hitatomi]

ummmmmm o.0

Wow, I slowed time, really I did, I slowed in PoTime Friday .

[Mead]

[CrustyOldShaman]

[Rivitingribbit]

[ribeye]

[Kaledorm]

[Ughbash]

[Slithor]

I had to read like 5-6 pages of that before I understood part of Bracy's arguement that adding a shaman meant slowing a mob => meant less damage taken => meant less time spent medding => meant more killing. I.E. splurt DPS versus DPS averaged over an hour or so.
Or am I just trying somehow to rationalize how someone could be that dense?
Of course now that medding is a thing of the past (usually) in XP groups, this doesn't hold the same weight.

[KB]

Trying to rationalize anything Bracy said is a pathway to destruction. You will forfeit your soul.

[Slithor]

Just as I thought... I feel dirty already.

[Robobuff]

[jlaor]

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