Group with warrior as MT: Don't Hate!

[Blabberpuss Stryyker]

[Nodden]

[Brohg]

Warriors are capable of taking the beats in solid fashion long before they're advanced enough with regards to combat skills, equipment, and AA to reliably hold agro without a waver. It could be, as you say, laziness, but it could also be that Blabberpuss's partner is just stuck for the moment in that grindy middle ground.

[Nodden]

Overcoming just Paean, a 4k base nuke with a recast of 18 seconds, is hardly the definition of "holding aggro without a waver". Anyone trying to dps would be tanking in such a group not the warrior.

Now, we aren't privvy to all the details of said group and perhaps Blabberpuss was just throwing his Paean out right when mobs arrived at camp and that would be another matter. But consistently losing aggro vs just knight melee and Paean is very bad.

[Blabberpuss Stryyker]

And hate mask I had on.

[Elric]

Interesting. Swapping out mask, Marr, easing up on nukes are about all I do really. Wars have a LOT of tools for agro.

As knights, we do need to be able to not pull agro while helping to dps

That said, when grouping with warriors that are geared good, it always turns into an agro game as to who tanks

Or a meh, you tank, I"ll grab it when bored

[knytul]

I may be an old bat who died in the pally carfire awhile ago, but when i played Paladin, i remember having HUGE agro competitions with ALL classes. SK's were the class that if they wanted agro, it was theres and screw you if you wanted it from them. Warriors could take agro at any second, but sucked at sustaining over other tank classes who wanted it. Paladins however, had the ability to take the agro within 1-5 seconds if they wanted it, but once they got it, unless they Divine Aura'd, it was a pain in the ass to drop the agro.

Point being, Controlling agro generation, is quite easy for a Good Paladin. Each paladin should be able to make the determination of how good or bad the warrior they are grouped with are, and determine just how aggressive the paladin can be in the group in regards to healing and dps'n. You should be able to say, ok this warrior is dishing out like, 5000 hate to maintain agro. Im gonna set myself up to 4900 agro so if he falls, it immediately comes on me, however i wont cross 5000 so he doesnt lose agro.

That was the mentality i always followed. I didnt need no damn "casting order" or any of that crap. This isnt World of Warcraft. Feel it. If you can swap a mask and add an extra nuke, go for it. But make sure you are generating enough agro so if the warrior dies, your agro doesnt suck so bad that the mob goes straight for the healer. Paladins "were" a class where used your instincts to know when to heal, who to heal, where to heal, when to start building agro, how to build agro, how much dps to dish out.

So, i doubt the game has changed that much. So the best advice i can share that SHOULD be the same: Use Your Instincts, not some guide. Advice is good from other players, but dont follow what they say to a T. You arent them, thus cant reproduce the same results they do. Take their advice and add it into your game, making yourself a better player.