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The Spirit Realm • View topic - let's get down to brass tacks w/ panther and lass
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let's get down to brass tacks w/ panther and lass

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:00 pm
by moscato

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:05 am
by Tordail
I have not stopped casting Panther on my groups and have had zero complaints, for what it's worth. My groups on raids consist only of myself, a bard, and rogues/rangers/zerkers/monks/etc. My exp. groups are the same if I can help it. Some people have said the problem is not that the swing is being reset but is instead the order in which the proc and the swing happen. thread might provide a little more information for you also, as there are logs in that thread and a great deal of discussion. :?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:23 am
by Retron
If you've not got raid weapons it's highly likely that the additional DPS from panther and the additional healing from Lassitude are worth more than the DPS the warrior loses from the swing reset bugs.

Like Tordail I'm still using panther on my groups with zero complaints. And I'd rather ease the healing burden on the healer by using Lassitude: at the group level I'm sure a single Sting per mob does more DPS than is lost from the reset bug.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:35 am
by ninjafist
I no longer keep lassitude or panther up unless the group's tank is a knight.

Frees up spell slots for another dot.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:07 am
by Fandele Longtooth

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:37 am
by Ughbash

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:55 am
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:20 am
by Unmei

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:49 am
by Veril
My take on it:

The DPS loss is related to your swing time. Panther procs 8 times a minute, so you lose 8 rounds. If you use a "slow" weapon you lose proportionaly more of your DPS than if you use a fast weapon, irrespective of the weapon ratios.

If your damage from 1 round is greate than 400 (on average) then you should block panther as it is reducing your average damage.
If your damage from 1 round is less than 400 (on average) then you should not block panther as it is <s>reducing</s> increasing your average damage.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:12 pm
by Kruzar

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:24 pm
by Samanna

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:44 pm
by Finori

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:13 am
by Kianor

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:09 am
by Isazo

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:48 pm
by Tordail
Waring, have you been able to bring this up to any developers? Have you gotten any feedback at all?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:50 pm
by Retron

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:59 pm
by Tugela
It's not a beta issue, so it wouldnt be covered by the NDA even if it were discussed on the beta boards.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:10 pm
by Tugela
Not using lassitude because of the dps issue is overkill IMO, particulary if you are using it primarily as a healing spell. There is no reason not to have it on your puller for example, and in the situation where you have multiple mobs on your tank (where the problems are most severe), helping the MT survive probably outweighs the dps loss. It doesnt affect the dps from the rest of the group. They can allways click it off once everything is slowed if it becomes a problem after that point. Keep in mind that the spell has allways had the problem and people used it quite happily until the issue became more widely known.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:14 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:26 pm
by Tordail

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:37 pm
by Ughbash

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:05 pm
by Finori

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:15 pm
by Catmandew

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:36 pm
by Tugela

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:53 pm
by Sowslow

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:44 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:26 am
by Kianor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:20 am
by Samanna

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:53 am
by Ughbash

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:38 am
by S_TOAD7th