Faction in General - Split from Specter of Renewal Topic

[Gadzuks]

It's been confirmed that all the "scaleable" rewards (cash, Orux OR faction) are all scaled in the same way depending on how "popular" the missions are. I think a 'rule of thumb' of 1 faction point per 2 orum was estimated - this would fit reasonably well with 4x50 orux missions to hit indifferent and 8x50 for amiable. (Going by some very old data, Apprehensive = -100, Indiff = 0, Amiable = +100, Kindly = +500, Warmly = +750, Ally = +1100)

EDIT: The relationship between those and the 'single' tasks which don't give Orux but cash instead isn't well defined, but it's ESTIMATED that 10 of those = 1 group mission. If 1 grp mission = 50 orux = 25 faction, 1/10 of that is 2.5 -- which would not fit neatly. I suspect it's more like 1/5th, which, with most of the single would translate to 1/25th of the PP reward since most of the quest-type tasks have a 75pp reward.

[Kianor]

From the link on this site (EverQuest General -> Gameplay -> Faction):

Ally = +4 1450 to 2500
Warmly = +3 1100 to 1450
Kindly = +2 750 to 1100
Amiable = +1 150 to 750
Indifferent = 0 0 to 150
Apprehensive = -1 0 to -150
Dubious = -2 -150 to -750
Threateningly = -3 -750 to -1100
Ready to Attack = -4 -1100 to -2500

So if you start at low apprehensive, it'll take 1600 faction points to get to ally. I have also heard that you get to ally about the same time as you get 4000 Orux, so assuming that's not doing any faction only quests, that puts the ratio somewhere between 2:1 and 3:1 Orux:faction.

Note, it took me between 155 and 210 to get to indifferent, and between 418 and 513 Orux (total) before I got to amiable, which also fits roughly with that.

[Gadzuks]

Sorry, those numbers you quoted are just not right. I was able to verify up to Warmly approximately 1 year ago when I was working on Dranik Loyalists faction for OoW armour, and the ones I cite fit, the intervals in the 2nd post do not. (Dubious is a 400 point range, Apprehensive 100 pts, Indiff 100 pts, Amiable 400 pts etc... it's symmetrical).

With my estimates, Apprehensive (-100) to Ally (+1100) is a 1200 point range. At 25 faction per mission, that's exactly 48 missions. (If your mission rewards differ wildly from 50 orux, the numbers may be off).

4000 orux at 50 per mission would be 80 missions, which we can see would be wildly out from the 48 that's been reported.

[Kianor]

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This is now a long way derailed. Moderators may wish to split this off at some point.

I know perfectly well not all faction hits are equal (PS - my main is also an Iksar monk) - but TYPICALLY, the positive hit you get for killing a low level "trash" type mob is usually the lowest possible - i.e. +1. Negative hits associated with such a positive hit are usually -2 or more. This is exactly as you cite in your Holly Windstalker / Blackburrow Gnolls example -- but positive hits for trash mobs, as the "a noc" and the like in Dranik's Scar clearly are, are the minimum possible (+1). (Named mobs may well have much bigger faction boosts - for example Tormax and Derakor are worth as much as 500 points of Claws of Veeshan faction, compared to the +1 per drakkel dire wolf).

I've been factioning for many a year - and this is what I use when I need to 'grind'. It fits perfectly -- including to the 2:1 orux:faction ratio I cited above. No-one needs to take any notice of it whatsoever, if they don't want to -- but it's what I'll continue to use.

[Samanna]

Thanks, split.

The guide at http://samanna.net/gen.info/faction.shtml is what I adopted when Skrax told me that the one I had up there before was off. It was compiled by Skrax Swifttail, an Iksar Monk (who probably had more faction to make up for than most of us, back in the day).

Feel free to note anything that seems amiss with it.

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[Veril]

[quote="TugelaIt used to be that certain factions we couldn't raise above a certain level. Freeport militia and commonlands merchants was dubious for example.[/quote]

That is the racial and religion modifiers.

Max Faction is something like 3200
Humans vs Iksar = -1000 (or something like that)
non evil people vs Cazic Thule religion = -500 (or something like that)

so an Iksar shaman vs militia is 3200-1000-500 = 1700

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