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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Douglasone » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:29 pm

I have a suggestion. A lot of people have HoT or something, give us something different. We already have lynx for grp DPS make out BP clicky an AE Lynx. We would be in major demand again. Let it last just as long. Think about it, Lynx does not proc nonstop but it would proc enough for a raid to increase its DPS a little. A short burst of DPS. Have a resue timer of 30 minutes so its not abuseable but we could have several times on raid. On a lot of raids in our guild, we use shms to cover heals where we do not have enough clerics. A 30 min retimer would not turn us into a super power burst for the raid on every fight but it would be nice to help people get through that tough spot in the clearing to the boss or for the boss itself but not both. If , as my son says the reuse timer is too long, cut it to 15 minutes. But I think an AE Lynx would be a major boost to shms and to the raids.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:27 pm

Seeing as how the clicky for the UF bp is already in the spell dat, and it's the same click it's been since SoF, did Ngreth even bother reviewing the feedback that Waring said he asked for?
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Technics » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:51 am

In reality, that means our proc DPS is way higher than melee class proc DPS, plus we're healing the group as well (and it crits like fun). There's also a super-secret alternate use for that proc but I won't go into details for obvious reasons! Ask your local uberguild shaman for details. :wink:


Equip your "Hand of Holy Vengeance V" proc weapon, pop second spire, and melee! With maxed passive healing aa's, the proc will crit heal (quite frequently i may add) for a bit more than 2300 hp. Add that to Shadow of Renewal (or any other group hot that's running) and Ancestral Aid...and you should be able to afk for a minute! :lol:


On the note of a bp clicky -- I like the idea of something similar to the wizzy free spell thing, or the mini Spiritual Channeling one. Something that would be useful, but not crazy overpowered would be a clicky radiant cure on the BP. Beneficial, but not super disappointing if you don't get it. Having the ability to double cure in a quick spurt of time would be useful for certain events, but not dire. Just my thought.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Douglasone » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:31 pm

Maybe it will be useful for a future bp. I still think an AE lynx is the way to go. We already have a number of heals, most of them fairly cheap considering the amount of mana and mana regen we have(or should have). The AE lynx would give a short burst of DPS help to every melee and any others that choose to swing a weapon, and be a huge help. It would still be less then 4 free wizzie nukes can put out normally. We had idol of malos for an AE malos, why not an AE lynx? Think of the help it would be on some of the hard raids, be a huge short term boost. I normally get 6-10 procs from a lynx when I am meleeing. Thats over 4k more damage with lynx3, even lynx2 is still gonna be a nice boost. Half our weapons or more and a number of other items already give us a group heal/HoT-not that its very good, but its something. Sony is not gonna give us enough healing to make us a threat to druids or clerics, so why not give us a burst dps ability. If sony had any thoughts of helping us in the healing department, they would drop the recast timer on Ancestral Intervention. It's a great spell, but when you heal the entire group back from 20% or less and the mob then AEs something massive right away again and you are all back at 20-30% life again, you gotta hope you can heal them all 1 at a time again-fast. So quit worrying about getting us another clicky small heal. We are not really the best at anything anymore-ignore alchemy for a sec- so we have AE slows, AE Heals with mgb Ancestral Aid, give us an AE to help melee out.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:50 pm

As per another thread, it looks like that the BP click has been changed. From what people have gathered, it looks like a 3k rune, and when the rune fades, hits the shaman with a buff that modifies some aspect of poison-based spells by 50%. Whether it's damage, or spell haste, or mana cost, I don't know.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Brohg » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:15 am

Sounds pretty terrible!
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby riou » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:01 am

Dakota wrote:As per another thread, it looks like that the BP click has been changed. From what people have gathered, it looks like a 3k rune, and when the rune fades, hits the shaman with a buff that modifies some aspect of poison-based spells by 50%. Whether it's damage, or spell haste, or mana cost, I don't know.



It is damage.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:43 am

Obviously it's a bit early to tell, but maybe people who know how to read that block of code can answer. Does it stack with item focii? Bard aura/aria? Toxicity?
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Brohg » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:57 pm

Does it matter? How do you plan on getting that rune knocked off any time you have other players around?
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Retron » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:56 pm

Brohg wrote:Does it matter? How do you plan on getting that rune knocked off any time you have other players around?

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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Retron » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:01 pm

Dakota wrote:Obviously it's a bit early to tell, but maybe people who know how to read that block of code can answer. Does it stack with item focii? Bard aura/aria? Toxicity?

It'll stack with bard songs, probably not their aura though. It'll stack with worn foci (as the Valdeholm 25% magic potions do), but as for rogue buffs - no dice, it won't stack with Lesson etc.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Brohg » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:42 pm

Retron wrote:Canni.


I pretty much assume it'll be a melee-only rune like Ward. Otherwise they wouldn't bother.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Retron » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:25 am

Brohg wrote:I pretty much assume it'll be a melee-only rune like Ward. Otherwise they wouldn't bother.

Wrong assumption, it's a generic rune as I mentioned on the other thread - same slot and SPA as the enchanter runes. So, in effect, it's free mana and a free damage boost.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Ughbash » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:49 am

Retron wrote:
Brohg wrote:I pretty much assume it'll be a melee-only rune like Ward. Otherwise they wouldn't bother.

Wrong assumption, it's a generic rune as I mentioned on the other thread - same slot and SPA as the enchanter runes. So, in effect, it's free mana and a free damage boost.


*laugh* Expect them to change it then to maek it useless once a dev realizes this.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:21 pm

How long does the rune last? And does the damage boost fire only if the rune is broken, or any time the rune wears off?
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Zama » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:08 pm

eqjunkie wrote:What about a clicky that extends the duration of our epic click. Or an AA to extend it longer than it is at the moment that would be $$$

that would be a focus effect, not a click. an aa to increase ruchu duration doesnt have to do with this topic.
A decent click would be if it just had a group heal, no hot, that did maybe 15-20k healing, kinda like a version of ancesterail aid, but without the life based heals.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Cellan » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:08 am

I have a shaman box so consider to me it's the helper class, and not the end-result class I play but I'd like to add my 2 cents.

I wouldn't support the AE Lynx type of buff or anything AE for the simple fact opposing why it was suggested .... to boost raid DPS for a bit. On the flip side, a grouping shaman just got a crappy clicky while the raiders got a clicky they can enjoy.

I'd much rather see an effect that is self-only or group only as that holds water in both grouping and raiding environment and it needs to be noticeable. 500hps of healing for a group heal is far from that, I'd sooner be clicking epic, casting Shade of Renewal or Ancestral Aid for that .... we don't need more group HoTs and PLEASE no more junk that makes our spells resisted less for 5 seconds for crying out loud.

Here are my ramblings of what might be nice:
1. +15% spell haste for 1 minute
2. group hundredhands effect or 20% overhaste for 5 ticks
3. debuff mobs melee dmg by 10% for 5 ticks
4. All DoTs already on a mob will crit for 2 ticks..... a buff on ourselves to affect our own DoTs
5. debuff a mob to eliminate it's slow mitigation for 5 ticks or 1 minute.
6. Group crazy-proc buff for 5 ticks that increases combat effects by 500 .... but I see alot of danger for having that around.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Retron » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:38 am

Ughbash wrote:*laugh* Expect them to change it then to maek it useless once a dev realizes this.

Hell's bells, guess what they did in the last patch?! :lol:

Here's the link to the lowest level BP click in Underfoot:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?i ... ource=Live

It's quite complex - three spells in one.

First up, it's a group 50% guard for spells and melee to a cap of 1500, duration of one minute (so enough to get it to drop with just canni).

When the rune drops, each player will autocast a 2-tick high regen spell on themselves (stacks with almost everything).

Furthermore, when the shaman clicks their BP they get a 5-tick self-only buff that adds 300 damage to every poison HP spell - I suspect that's actually nukes only, rather than including DoTs (although the latter would be nice!). That should be two Stings, possibly 3 if you time it just right.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:19 am

Retron wrote:
Ughbash wrote:*laugh* Expect them to change it then to maek it useless once a dev realizes this.

Hell's bells, guess what they did in the last patch?! :lol:

Here's the link to the lowest level BP click in Underfoot:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?i ... ource=Live

It's quite complex - three spells in one.

First up, it's a group 50% guard for spells and melee to a cap of 1500, duration of one minute (so enough to get it to drop with just canni).

When the rune drops, each player will autocast a 2-tick high regen spell on themselves (stacks with almost everything).

Furthermore, when the shaman clicks their BP they get a 5-tick self-only buff that adds 300 damage to every poison HP spell - I suspect that's actually nukes only, rather than including DoTs (although the latter would be nice!). That should be two Stings, possibly 3 if you time it just right.


It doesn't have a "Limit: Duration (Instant)" or whatever the line is, so I'm pretty sure that it would work for dots as well, kinda the same way things like Mana Recursion fire on DoTs. I -think- that line 5 means it also only works on spells with a mana cost over 10, but should be moot with the level 75 lower limit. So it won't be good when soloing, but when going full burn on a raid mob or something, it can be decent enough.

New question (and bear in mind, most of the questions I ask about this click are hypothetical, I don't expect an answer now, just for someone to bring it up to the spell dev). Does the HoT effect suffer the same problems as the Ward of Resurgence HoT, in that it won't fire when stunned or casting another spell? At slot 11 I don't know of any stacking issues with the HoT off the top of my head, but it's something else to ask.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Cellan » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:01 am

Think the minimum mana cost might conflict of Gift of Mana AAs?
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:02 pm

Cellan wrote:Think the minimum mana cost might conflict of Gift of Mana AAs?


Does the chanter Mana Recursion line conflict with Gift of Mana AAs?
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Brohg » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:19 pm

no, but it does with Aina/Languid Bite
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:18 am

Brohg wrote:no, but it does with Aina/Languid Bite


Hrm.

I suppose it might require some testing, as Recursion/Aina/Languid Bite all proc a spell when it fires, whereas the BP click just adds damage to the spell when cast. Still, if it only means that it and Languid can't be up at the same time, eh, it's not ideal, but it's something I personally could live with.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Retron » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 am

Dakota wrote:I suppose it might require some testing, as Recursion/Aina/Languid Bite all proc a spell when it fires, whereas the BP click just adds damage to the spell when cast.

The BP does its magic via a completely different SPA, no worries there.

You can only have one spell with SPA 339 on you at once, but the BP click doesn't use that one.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:44 pm

The fact that it adds the raw damage though, as opposed to firing a proc, now makes me wonder again if it will work on dots after all, or just sting. Again, it's something that will warrant testing once Beta begins.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Cellan » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:17 am

Dakota wrote:
Cellan wrote:Think the minimum mana cost might conflict of Gift of Mana AAs?


Does the chanter Mana Recursion line conflict with Gift of Mana AAs?


I don't see anything about minimum mana cost for the mana recursion line.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Dakota » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:22 am

Cellan wrote:
Dakota wrote:
Cellan wrote:Think the minimum mana cost might conflict of Gift of Mana AAs?


Does the chanter Mana Recursion line conflict with Gift of Mana AAs?


I don't see anything about minimum mana cost for the mana recursion line.


http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?i ... ource=Live

8: Unknown #348 (100/10/0)

That line basically translates to "Only applies to spells with a mana cost greater than 10". It's basically there so that you can't pick a level-1 nuke with a 1 second cast time and spam it over and over again for 305 damage for 5 mana instead of 5 damage for 5 mana.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Cellan » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:31 am

Dakota wrote:
Cellan wrote:
Dakota wrote:
Cellan wrote:Think the minimum mana cost might conflict of Gift of Mana AAs?


Does the chanter Mana Recursion line conflict with Gift of Mana AAs?


I don't see anything about minimum mana cost for the mana recursion line.


http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?i ... ource=Live

8: Unknown #348 (100/10/0)

That line basically translates to "Only applies to spells with a mana cost greater than 10". It's basically there so that you can't pick a level-1 nuke with a 1 second cast time and spam it over and over again for 305 damage for 5 mana instead of 5 damage for 5 mana.


I dunno. Have my doubts that it's saying minimum mana cost of 10. That would mean we could just up spell a few level to say .... level 14 http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?i ... ource=Live and get th effect instead for just 44 mana. I was of the impression that they were coded to affect levels instead of costs, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
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Re: BP clicky feedback

Postby Retron » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:37 am

Cellan wrote:I dunno. Have my doubts that it's saying minimum mana cost of 10. That would mean we could just up spell a few level to say .... level 14 http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?i ... ource=Live and get th effect instead for just 44 mana.

No, it is a minimum mana cost of 10. You can proc Pack all day long using our low-level ice nukes.
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