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The Spirit Realm • View topic - Unwanted Foci
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Unwanted Foci

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:45 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:39 pm
by Brohg
It would be superawesome if Spec Alter mod replaced fire focus whenever the arms of a chain set turned from chain/all to shm-specific. Other than Fire, I think every focus except Reagent Conservation and Pet Power has some marginal use for shm. We don't actually use Ice or Disease, but we do at least have spells that they would work on, if we ever cast them.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:21 pm
by Sowslow
Just spell focus or things like parry and block? I don't know of any shm only items that have those but there are a few shared class items with those type of effects that are useless.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:23 pm
by Samanna
Chromatic Damage
Corruption Damage - or do we get that now?
Disease Damage (at the current game pace)
Fire Damage (since level 1)
Prismatic Damage
Reagent Conservation
Reanimation Efficiency
Summoning Efficiency
Summoning Haste

and - sadly - Pet Focus.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:39 pm
by Samanna
Also:

Cleave
Ferocity
Furious Bash
Improved Block
Improved Parry

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:34 am
by Tordail
I wish Fire damage improvement would just disappear from Shaman gear. Cold and Disease can go right along with it. Come to think of it, if I had my wish, those two spell lines would be discontinued, replaced with something poison/magic or retuned. They can also keep anything Prismatic, anything Chromatic, anything made for pets, and Reagent Conservation.

Speaking of tasty mods, I would like to see Specialize Alteration made more widely available and in varying percentages on different tiers of gear.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:56 am
by WaringMcMarrin
Note this is to remove a foci and not replace it with something else.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:32 am
by ThraallFV
o i do love soe logic.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:16 am
by Retron

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:41 am
by Kianor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:41 am
by Veril

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:09 am
by Macnair
If the point is simply to remove focuses that no one cares about, without replacing them with something more useful, then whatever developer is asking should simply move on to the next project now, and not waste any more time.

That is, there is no point in removing a useless effect in order to leave a blank spot behind. Indeed, in borderline cases, as several have already pointed out, something that has a rare, marginal effect is (slightly) better than nothing.

To put it positively: removing useless effects in order to replace them with useful effects is a very good idea.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:33 am
by Tordail

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:36 am
by Maccuul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:20 pm
by Kianor

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:52 pm
by harlybear

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:19 pm
by Sowslow

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:30 pm
by WaringMcMarrin
Ok here is what I am going to submit subject to getting more info.

Focus types Shaman can't use:
Chromatic Damage
Corruption Damage - or do we get that now?
Fire Damage (since level 1)
Prismatic Damage
Reagent Conservation (Only spell this can really be used on is a kunark era spell and its upgrades don't need it)
Reanimation Efficiency
Summoning Efficiency
Summoning Haste
Ferocity
Furious Bash
Improved Block
Improved Parry

Focus types Shaman can use but don't use as often:
Disease Damage
Cleave
Ice Damage

Focus types that Shaman do the happy dance for:
Healing
Poison Damage
Magic Damage
Spell Haste (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
Mana Preservation (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
Duration Extension (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
Range Extension (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
+% Specialize: Alteration
+% Dodge
Improved Dodge X

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:40 pm
by Samanna
Good deal. Might also want to list:

Focus types that Shaman do the happy dance for:
Healing
Poison Damage
Magic Damage
Spell Haste (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
Mana Preservation (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
Duration Extension (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)
Range Extension (Beneficial, Detrimental, Combined)

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:12 pm
by Tordail

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:33 pm
by Samanna

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:48 pm
by Tordail

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:11 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:13 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:29 pm
by Tugela

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:33 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:21 pm
by Zinovy
Well to be honest there are 2 foci I never use... Cold and Fire

With breath of big bynn rnk3 I get 1.5k Crits out of it (still not fully AA'd or even focused) I betting when I get it all done around 1.8k a tick average... Compared to the other Disease DoT's its a major improvement.
But on the average I never load them unless soloing. Cold I use every level cap increase to max my evocation skill... If they gave us a Sting of the Queen type Cold spell like the Bstld's have then it'd come back into a valuable Foci

As to foci that are worthless. Fire is the only one I'd say we don't ever use... think lvl 5 was last fire spell.. don't know with the new spell lvl system (well new since DoN,DoD or so)
and WaringMcMarrin has the totally worthless ones listed. We have one chromatic spell line but it's a proc (Panther, Puma) Adds a Chromatic proc to those meleeing.

I'd love to see us get a true chromatic/corruption spell line...
I do agree on Reagent conservation as totally worthless... If you want it you can get the aug from FC1. 130hp/mana Reagent Cons IV or something like that. But let the Enchanter/Clr get them first if you value your Guildmates. Since we've got no new spells to use it with and frankly I'd rather not have reagents ... I prefer just making potions as a good shaman should :twisted:
Think Summoning Efficiency would still work (I use my dog but it's not a valued effect)
If improved block increased our chance to use Shield Block AA it'd be useful... But I'm 98% sure it only works on the block skill.
---Fero, Furious Bash, Parry/Improved parry, Reanimation(undead pets only),Prismatic,Chromatic, Corruption are all at this point worthless.