Druid vs. Shaman balance thread on EQlive

[Giac]

[Beafly]

[Samanna]

My eyes started to unfocus while reading it, but yeah, it didn't seem like a slam. He missed the part where Union of Spirits and Ancestral Aid are supposed to go on the same timer... aren't they? I thought I read that...

[Fenier]

It wasnt' a slam. He asked me to pre-read the post and I tried to correct any balance points I felt where incorrect based on my knowledge and posting from this site prior to posting.

If you read, he doesn't say anywhere you need to be nerfed, or even have anything adjusted.

-Fenier

[Giac]

[Fenier]

[Samanna]

[Fenier]

[Samanna]

[Giac]

[Fenier]

[Hecude Poison`Blood]

[Giac]

I love how Kamion writes this:

Healing:

Blast heals: - PoP era (PoP spells as they were in PoP) druid/shaman blast heal power = 1750/1300 or ~1.35:1, current ratio = 3395/2985 or ~1.13:1. However -In practice, a lot of druids use the OoW ancient heal (if they have ang bp) to make up for our lack of mana regen, so the arguable true current ratio is 3094/2985 or ~1.03:1.

This is clear proof of how the post is set up. He's basically stating something completely false, which is that Druids will have to cast their Ancient and Shamans will use their TSS heal. We both will switch to the new heals at the same time. The argument doesn't hold water.

[Fenier]

He doesn't write that fact, and even states in which conditions it would apply in.

While not as graphically inclined as http://samanna.net/sham.issues/debuffs.jan06.shtml he hits alot of the same points you did in relation to debuffing /shrug

[Hecude Poison`Blood]

Preaching to the shaman's about a druid who thinks theres a problem doesnt get much support imo.

[Giac]

[Fenier]

[Giac]

[Fenier]

[Giac]

[jdthomas]

[St_HotPants]

[Gwaeron]

I saw that post not long after it was put up I guess, and do have to give him credit. He tried to present a well thought out view. Unfortunately, its basically comes across as a "waa they can do some things better than me" while playing down their own strengths. I kinda wish I had the time where I could sit down and actually take the time to poke the multiple holes in his thesis, but I'm in and out too frequently to do it. The healing part where he was matching heals to eras definitely showed he wasn't too interested in presenting an accurate picture, lol.

[WaringMcMarrin]

[Ungkor]

[Fenier]

[Gwaeron]

[Galelor]

[WaringMcMarrin]

[KB]

[Sharok]

[Giac]

[KB]

[Neau]

[Jaraman]

[gaesekki]

[Maccuul]

[Fenier]

[Teghan]

[Fenier]