Complacency, pt 2.... shammy DPS

[Unmei]

[Brohg]

[Giac]

[Brohg]

<630 from dots, with 45 & 50% foci. with 60% to both, and if you counted panthers, I bet it's feasible. You'd have to count panther damage though.

[Bigsnack For'Mobs]

Thank you Jaraman and Sunchyne.

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[Giac]

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[Giac]

[Chutoi]

[Samanna]

[Galelor]

[Giac]

[Unmei]

[Giac]

[Unmei]

[Scowls]

[Sunchyne]

As I said, that was the DPS he told me, he could have been full of shit, and I would have been none the wiser. The reason I posted that parse was I saw a question pertaining to over all DPS as it related to other classes, and thought I would share a parse I had just posted on the MB boards. I agree, that parse is from a typical burn - fight, and really only represents close to the maximum DPS our guild is capable of. When I parse combined raids, as in combining every fight in Tacvi and Anguish together, usually I see myself at the top, due to the range issue on the parser, with around 800 DPS (named only) and 400-500 if you include the trash, depending on how active I pretend to be that day.

Sorry if the information was unwelcome, I've been a long time reader, thought I might try to contribute a little. Again, Giac was right about one thing, that fight was a non-typical fight with a rooted mob, turned with his back to the DPS, and no other tricks. I can't really comment with any authority on shaman end game DPS, and don't even want to make a stab at it, but I thought I would post some numbers from a typical guild clearing Anguish, Tacvi, and DoN (- Vish and OMM) in regards to semi-end game DPS of other classes.

[Macnair]

[EeyonRN]

the big problem with shaman dps versus other priest type classes is that the other classes don't need to commit half or more of their spell gems in order to kick in a relevant ammount of damage. shm damage is probably right about where it should be for situations like soloing, but for grouping and raids, its really lacking, simply because its so cumbersome and impractical to get much damage going.

just think of it this way. with spiritual channeling, a shaman can pretty much cast all the spells he/she wants to for the duration of the buff. although that keeps the mana tank from running out, how much does it actually improve dps? not very much. even with infinate mana, shm direct damage spells cannot match the dps of our dots. the only use they have is going on top of dots in the small window you have between when you cast the last dot and the first fades.

i'm not discontent at all with playing a shaman. i still think they're great, but there would be a lot of ways to improve the class, damage-wise, without making it overpowering. namely, to make it less impractical. for instance, you could have a big, dumb, expensive dot that blacked out your other dots. you could have bigger or faster nukes that were even less efficient than what we have now. i'm sure there are a lot of things that would make people happy without creating balance issues.

shm can do some kind of relevant, or even really good, damage in a lot of situations. the main problem is that its just such a pain in the ass to do all the switching and chain casting that people get tired of it after about 5 minutes.

[Aruman]

[Jaraman]

[EeyonRN]

well, if you're doing 300dps with panther, you're not doing any 700 dps with dots, at least not for long. to get 300dps out of panther, the least ammount of targets you're looking at is usually going to be 4. (90+90pets+60+60 melee). if the 300dps comes from 5 melee, then that's an extra panther to cast on top of that. if a shaman's dots are maxing around 700dps, then how exactly are they going to work in an extra 4 or 5 casts and 1500-1800 mana?

that's the problem. its real easy to just say "well, just cast this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this, and you'll be golden!" actually doing it with any sort of regularity is an entirely different matter.

[Jaraman]

Aye, the question remains. If even after epic 1, pox pants and only 3 DoTs you're only looking at 600ish DPS to add to the 200ish DPS from just 3 panthers for a total of 800+ practical DPS, is that so crazily unjustiably low, given that we also do other duties, that we can whine that we are being abused or ignored?

Mind you, I think we should get some improvements, but I am not anywhere near these complainers crying loudly that "woe is the shaman, we've been f**ked over!"

[EeyonRN]

[KB]

[Jaraman]

[Bigsnack For'Mobs]

[Fraustbyte]

[Jaraman]

We're limited on what we can contribute DPS-wise.... disregarding Champion, haste, potion DS, we contribute DPS via DoTs and panthers, (and puppy where he doesn't die due to AEs, which is probably all end-game Raid situations).

For any shaman in a raid situation that is trying to contribute some form of meaningful DPS in addition to his other duties, I would imagine at least 3 DoTs and 3 panthers running....700ish DPS... is this unrealistic and/or unacceptable? This of course assumes landing the DoTs... or is this our case... too many resists?

[Giac]

[Ungkor]

[Fandele Longtooth]

[Brohg]

[Chutoi]

[KB]

[Jaraman]

[jdthomas]

[Fenier]

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