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EDIT: Icon is fixed according to Lucy. OK.
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by Sharok » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:33 am
Vindictive Spirit icon was changed aswell afaik, but need to recheck if correct - Lucy seems to be in maintenance at the moment .
EDIT: Icon is fixed according to Lucy. OK.
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EDIT: Icon is fixed according to Lucy. OK.
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by Kilgaroz » Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:22 pm
Think I was in an MPG trial Scowls, hit Fen's Air ele clicky, double shrunk him, cast grow on him and it worked. Then shrunk him down again, pissed the Bst in the group off as a bonus. 
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by Samanna » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:11 am
I agree that some of this is counter-intuitive and doesn't follow the patterns of other spells. Yet, this particular list I would like to restrict to things that quite obviously were perhaps typographical errors, and not just design flaws. We have other means to lobby about design flaws, and I can start a "Makes No Sense" list if we have a need for that. But if people think we are sneaking gameplay change requests into this list, it will lose credibility.
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by Spaced_Shaman_ » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:35 am
Prophecy of Ro... nuff said
[70 Soothsayer] Ancient Sorce McElric <Fell Omen>
"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return.
To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. "
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"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return.
To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. "
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by Bigsnack For'Mobs » Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:35 pm
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by Sharok » Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:41 am
A random thought, maybe we could ask for a cure message for all non-counter cures like blindness or general detrimental effects aswell as a first step?
It is quite annoying, when you don't see what is going on and as Mukkul stated makes looking for bugs that much more difficult, if not impossible.
It is quite annoying, when you don't see what is going on and as Mukkul stated makes looking for bugs that much more difficult, if not impossible.
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by Macnair » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:35 am
OK, maybe that's the reason it currently works that way. Maybe they saw the potential problem and they didn't want to do the work needed to make Gift of Mana still work as advertised in this kind of situation. Or maybe they didn't consider this possibility.
But.
Gift of Mana says "Next spell for the cost of 1 mana." It doesn't say "Next spell for the cost of 1 mana, unless you are already low on mana, in which case if you wouldn't have had enough mana to cast whatever spell you want to do next, too bad, you can't cast it for 1 mana."
The solution you suggest would be one way of doing it: the game knows how long Gift of Mana has to run (doesn't actually have to calculate this number, it is already keeping track of it), the game knows how long it takes to cast the spell you have pressed, it compares the two, and decides whether or not you can proceed.
It could also work to check for mana and Gift of Mana at the end of the spell casting, and fail the cast at the end of the cast time if you have insufficient mana and GoM has faded.
It could also work to check for Gift of Mana at the beginning of the cast, and if GoM fades before the end of the cast, you succeed and cast your spell for the cost of 1 mana, with a 2 second hidden bonus on GoM.
It could also work to check for Gift of Mana at the beginning of the cast, and if GoM fades before the end of the cast, you succeed and cast your spell for the cost of all your remaining mana.
So there are at least four different ways this could be fixed, and none of them is hard.
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Gift of Mana says "Next spell for the cost of 1 mana." It doesn't say "Next spell for the cost of 1 mana, unless you are already low on mana, in which case if you wouldn't have had enough mana to cast whatever spell you want to do next, too bad, you can't cast it for 1 mana."
The solution you suggest would be one way of doing it: the game knows how long Gift of Mana has to run (doesn't actually have to calculate this number, it is already keeping track of it), the game knows how long it takes to cast the spell you have pressed, it compares the two, and decides whether or not you can proceed.
It could also work to check for mana and Gift of Mana at the end of the spell casting, and fail the cast at the end of the cast time if you have insufficient mana and GoM has faded.
It could also work to check for Gift of Mana at the beginning of the cast, and if GoM fades before the end of the cast, you succeed and cast your spell for the cost of 1 mana, with a 2 second hidden bonus on GoM.
It could also work to check for Gift of Mana at the beginning of the cast, and if GoM fades before the end of the cast, you succeed and cast your spell for the cost of all your remaining mana.
So there are at least four different ways this could be fixed, and none of them is hard.
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