Druid vs. Shaman balance thread on EQlive

[anaskesia]

[Maccuul]

[Scowls]

[Tugela]

[siludorf]

Yep bsts get hybrid haste which makes bsts "king of slow" if you go by how fast you can cast slow.. as for commanding voice, make sure you type /tgb on, then target another group and hit the button.

You don't target people to cast champion either. If I have npc targeted and I cast champion, it lands on my group. If I have myself or a group member targeted and I champion it lands on my group. If I have another group's member targeted, and I cast champion, it lands on that group as well as myself. This works with every tgb'able spell that I've tried, as well as commanding voice.

I'll verify this still works post tss, work has kept me away from the game =*(

[Kriyn Nutzforcatnip]

[siludorf]

[jdthomas]

[darkpaw]

[Slithor]

[Samanna]

[Brohg]

[Jalelin]

[Kilgaroz]

[Brohg]

3kac is not extreme at level 75, and that balanced with 17.9khp is not set up for shm healing. Hp pool is nearly meaningless when a shaman is behind you; it's all about AC. If that paladin had 16.9khp instead, and 400 more ac, you'd notice a world of difference in how much healing he required. Even more if he starts looting differently and starts moving toward 4kac. It's totally doable with different auging.

[Galelor]

[Tugela]

[Brohg]

[siludorf]

I agree with Yella to an extent, a balanced tank is the best way to go, ie 150 hps aug vs a 20 hps aug is a no brainer, but some ac freaks will pick the 20 AC..

Pre-nerf, when those zones were really hard, I was hearing that the DB on mobs were huge and the DI was small. In cases like this the AC freak tanks will get butt raped, while the HP tanks will own.

In general tho, unless zones like that become more popular I'm inclined to side with AC>HP when it comes to the tank.

I don't know why Yella thinks a hps tank will handle total damage better than an ac tank. The math is easy behind that, if the AC tank is taking 20% less damage, then the hp tank needs to have more than 20% more hps to be "better."

The real difference (on high di mobs of course) is that the AC tank can be healed with just SS + 1 heal or so, while a hp tank would take ss + a few more splash heals, tieing you up from canni or other utility spells.

[Tugela]

With agro of course, then the occasional dead healer and we see how that goes. Not to mention two mobs in camp. I think I've said this before, allthough you just dont get it (in your case it doesnt surprise me) - if you are both slower and healer it is beyond stupidity to take agro on the inc, or even take that risk. Sure - if there is another healer (which is usually the case in most groups), you can slow the second you see the mob, then frustrate the hell out of your tank while you run around camp like a chicken with your head cut off to avoid getting mushed. But, again, that is unnecessary. I can state with 100% certainty that with Yella up front Brohg would generally not be able to beat Mokara slowing mobs while ensuring secure agro control. 100%. So you can snigger about bots all you like, the simple fact is that doing that, they are better than you .

Doesnt change the fact that the limiting factor is dealing with spike damage in those situations. Healing outside of that is trivial, and you know that perfectly well. Tanks deal with spike damage using hp, not AC.

[Kilgaroz]

I slow on inc or almost when I'm botting the warrior and get agro maybe once in 100 pulls cause he tags off with mock, and with bazu bellow on a different timer now, the warrior's agro is almost never an issue.

[Tugela]

[Tugela]

[Kilgaroz]

[siludorf]

[Maccuul]

[Kilgaroz]

[Jeis]

Think at one stage in grp in Temple area Frostcrypt we had 3 Pallys, Bers, Bard and Necro in grp....and were chain pulling, with Pallys taking turns to downtime. IN FC 3 pallys is fun DPS:)

[Beafly]

[jdthomas]

[Kriyn Nutzforcatnip]

[Tugela]

[Brohg]

Knights can spend a little mana to pick up 2-4k ghost hp between heals np with their own spells. Warriors can pop a disc if they get flurried under 20% on inc. Exp group tanking is about playing good defense, not just absorbing more damage and making the priest deal with it. Non bot shm have tons of casting they can do when not taking up the slack for paper tanks.

For real here, you know what you get when you don't pair high hp with good defense? A berserker. Berserkers have piles of hp for melee; they're on the knight hp tables, ffs. Hell, as a shaman in a top10 gamewide guild I have as many hp as most warriors outside the guild, more than most knights. I'm not a tank, though. Berserkers aren't tanks. Defensive ability makes the difference: tanks are defined by their ability to mitigate damage, not absorb it.

[siludorf]

[Fenier]

[Aruman]

[Fenier]

[Giac]

[Fenier]

[Unmei]