Inc Changes - now on test

[shiftie]

- Paladin - Swapped values on Denouncement and Denouncement Heal so that the spell will now heal more than it damages.
- Paladin - Increased the refresh time of Righteous Indignation by three minutes.
- Paladin - Armor of Courage Strike can now stun enemies up to level 93.

[Normy]

Wow, none of that seems all that good to me. I guess the stun on Armor is good, but wth with the other changes?

[shiftie]

[varutia]

Nerfs and nerfs, look like they are taking the easy way out and just nerf the paladins like most predicated.

[Ughbash]

[Turayalon]

Doesnt seem all that bad tbh it could be a lot worse but the one thing I dont get is the change on denouncement if its the nuke type of our tott spells then why would the dmg b lowered and heal raised since if we wanted to heal for more cast confession ?

[Normy]

Well, the only real reason to use denouncement at all is because it's damage, we already have a ton of healing abilities. So that change will make denouncement never to be memmed again, like so much other nerf fodder.

[Thessiuss]

depends on the damage nerf if it'll get memmed or not . I'll most likely continue using it.

[riou]

Test Values, you can compare them on raidloot or lucy or something:

[25306/10335] Denouncement
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 1126
Target: Single
Range: 200
Resist: Magic -15
Casting: 1s, Recast: 5s
Hate Mod: -1564
1: Decrease Current HP by 2241
2: Decrease Current HP by 1008 (If Undead)
3: Decrease Current HP by 504 (If Summoned)
4: Cast: [Spell 25309]

[25309] Denouncement Heal
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 10
Target: Targets Target
Range: 200
Beneficial: Blockable
Casting: 0s
Hate Mod: -1464
1: Increase Current HP by 3221


[25307/10335] Denouncement Rk. II
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 1232
Target: Single
Range: 200
Resist: Magic -15
Casting: 1s, Recast: 5s
Hate Mod: -1776
1: Decrease Current HP by 2545
2: Decrease Current HP by 1145 (If Undead)
3: Decrease Current HP by 573 (If Summoned)
4: Cast: [Spell 25310]

[25310] Denouncement Heal II
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 10
Target: Targets Target
Range: 200
Beneficial: Blockable
Casting: 0s
Hate Mod: -1662
1: Increase Current HP by 3658


[25308/10335] Denouncement Rk. III
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 1301
Target: Single
Range: 200
Resist: Magic -15
Casting: 1s, Recast: 5s
Hate Mod: -1919
1: Decrease Current HP by 2750
2: Decrease Current HP by 1238 (If Undead)
3: Decrease Current HP by 619 (If Summoned)
4: Cast: [Spell 25311]

[25311] Denouncement Heal III
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 10
Target: Targets Target
Range: 200
Beneficial: Blockable
Casting: 0s
Hate Mod: -1815
1: Increase Current HP by 3953

[boukk]

Sucks big time, definitly won't use it anymore.

Nerf is totally unjustified, but if that make em feel better on our 1mindps under glyph/7th(and they re already nerfing glyph / changing 7th for that reason) , /shrug.

Stun is good on defensive spell I guess, but if the defensive change goes in that will be scraped anyway?

Longer recast on RI is stupid, but not as bad as the other nerf.

[varutia]

A lot of SK complain Denouncement is better than their lifetap, it is probably why it got nerfed. The thing is for Paladins we got better heals than what denouncement returns. I mostly use it for nukes not heals, 1.0 second cast time already making it slightly marginal for hybrids, nukes over 0.5 seconds need to have a fair big impact to justify casting.

On the same note of casting, we need to get our stuns reduce to 0.5 second cast time same as terror.

[Shillingworth]

I kinda like the change to Denouncement. My patch healing on raids has moved more to using target's target heals instead of changing target and casting a heal unless the MT really needs a boost in healing. Even with the damage value as it stands now on live servers, we do a lot more DPS melee than the spell can provide in a 1s period of time.

[boukk]

There is just no reason using denouncement over devotion which also give your target 15%vie, the dps it was bringing wasn't that good already, now it s just plain pityful.

SK like zarzac and co always have been whining about one thing or another , and meanwhile downplaying their own abilities , I would hope devs have those on their ignore list by now.

[Pridewolf]

With this change Denoucement becomes superior to Protective Devotion, Its a bigger heal marginally and still nukes. There is still a reason why you should use this over Devotion, our vie still overwrites clerics SR. So if you group with a cleric or in a raid setting its superior. Personally I don't like the change I liked it the way it was but I will still use it. I like the change to AoC should work better, As for RI 3 min extra reuse shouldn't hurt it all since we most use it at 20 min intervals but I reserve my opinion on it until we see the spell data or i use it.

[Noshadow]

I like the spell the way it was, I also like it with the changes, however if the changes make it to live then I would like to see the mana cost go down, as I will only use it now for a spot heal, or when I swarm in FC.

[boukk]

[Pridewolf]

SR has unlimited recourse heals for 9 mins, most tanks are blocking the other vie's so that our vie doesnt hit.

[Thessiuss]

Why are people saying "Devotion over Denouncement"? They're on different timers, so use them both! If you notice, you can almost chain cast between Denouncement & Devotion (hint*).

[riou]

Devotion overwrites clerics massively superior Shining Rampart, you shouldn't be using devotion, currently, unless all your tanks have its vie buff blocked

[Thebobo]

March 9th, 2011
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*** Highlights ***

- Paladin - Swapped values on Denouncement and Denouncement Heal so that the spell will now heal more than it damages.
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- Paladin - Increased the refresh time of Righteous Indignation by three minutes.
We have a lot of SKs and at least in my allaince paladins have become healers and rarely off tank, he.

- Paladin - Armor of Courage Strike can now stun enemies up to level 93.
Not bad?

[Normy]

So the checklist went something like this:
"Does the change lower paladin DPS?"
"yes but-"
"Ok, push it live, our jobs are done here"