The Spirit Realm

- Paladin - Swapped values on Denouncement and Denouncement Heal so that the spell will now heal more than it damages.
- Paladin - Increased the refresh time of Righteous Indignation by three minutes.
- Paladin - Armor of Courage Strike can now stun enemies up to level 93.

Wow, none of that seems all that good to me. I guess the stun on Armor is good, but wth with the other changes?

Nerfs and nerfs, look like they are taking the easy way out and just nerf the paladins like most predicated.

Doesnt seem all that bad tbh it could be a lot worse but the one thing I dont get is the change on denouncement if its the nuke type of our tott spells then why would the dmg b lowered and heal raised since if we wanted to heal for more cast confession ?

Well, the only real reason to use denouncement at all is because it's damage, we already have a ton of healing abilities. So that change will make denouncement never to be memmed again, like so much other nerf fodder.

depends on the damage nerf if it'll get memmed or not . I'll most likely continue using it.

Test Values, you can compare them on raidloot or lucy or something:

[25306/10335] Denouncement
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 1126
Target: Single
Range: 200
Resist: Magic -15
Casting: 1s, Recast: 5s
Hate Mod: -1564
1: Decrease Current HP by 2241
2: Decrease Current HP by 1008 (If Undead)
3: Decrease Current HP by 504 (If Summoned)
4: Cast: [Spell 25309]

[25309] Denouncement Heal
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 10
Target: Targets Target
Range: 200
Beneficial: Blockable
Casting: 0s
Hate Mod: -1464
1: Increase Current HP by 3221


[25307/10335] Denouncement Rk. II
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 1232
Target: Single
Range: 200
Resist: Magic -15
Casting: 1s, Recast: 5s
Hate Mod: -1776
1: Decrease Current HP by 2545
2: Decrease Current HP by 1145 (If Undead)
3: Decrease Current HP by 573 (If Summoned)
4: Cast: [Spell 25310]

[25310] Denouncement Heal II
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 10
Target: Targets Target
Range: 200
Beneficial: Blockable
Casting: 0s
Hate Mod: -1662
1: Increase Current HP by 3658


[25308/10335] Denouncement Rk. III
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 1301
Target: Single
Range: 200
Resist: Magic -15
Casting: 1s, Recast: 5s
Hate Mod: -1919
1: Decrease Current HP by 2750
2: Decrease Current HP by 1238 (If Undead)
3: Decrease Current HP by 619 (If Summoned)
4: Cast: [Spell 25311]

[25311] Denouncement Heal III
Classes: PAL/87
Mana: 10
Target: Targets Target
Range: 200
Beneficial: Blockable
Casting: 0s
Hate Mod: -1815
1: Increase Current HP by 3953

Sucks big time, definitly won't use it anymore.

Nerf is totally unjustified, but if that make em feel better on our 1mindps under glyph/7th(and they re already nerfing glyph / changing 7th for that reason) , /shrug.

Stun is good on defensive spell I guess, but if the defensive change goes in that will be scraped anyway?

Longer recast on RI is stupid, but not as bad as the other nerf.

A lot of SK complain Denouncement is better than their lifetap, it is probably why it got nerfed. The thing is for Paladins we got better heals than what denouncement returns. I mostly use it for nukes not heals, 1.0 second cast time already making it slightly marginal for hybrids, nukes over 0.5 seconds need to have a fair big impact to justify casting.

On the same note of casting, we need to get our stuns reduce to 0.5 second cast time same as terror.

I kinda like the change to Denouncement. My patch healing on raids has moved more to using target's target heals instead of changing target and casting a heal unless the MT really needs a boost in healing. Even with the damage value as it stands now on live servers, we do a lot more DPS melee than the spell can provide in a 1s period of time.

There is just no reason using denouncement over devotion which also give your target 15%vie, the dps it was bringing wasn't that good already, now it s just plain pityful.

SK like zarzac and co always have been whining about one thing or another , and meanwhile downplaying their own abilities , I would hope devs have those on their ignore list by now.

With this change Denoucement becomes superior to Protective Devotion, Its a bigger heal marginally and still nukes. There is still a reason why you should use this over Devotion, our vie still overwrites clerics SR. So if you group with a cleric or in a raid setting its superior. Personally I don't like the change I liked it the way it was but I will still use it. I like the change to AoC should work better, As for RI 3 min extra reuse shouldn't hurt it all since we most use it at 20 min intervals but I reserve my opinion on it until we see the spell data or i use it.

I like the spell the way it was, I also like it with the changes, however if the changes make it to live then I would like to see the mana cost go down, as I will only use it now for a spot heal, or when I swarm in FC.

SR has unlimited recourse heals for 9 mins, most tanks are blocking the other vie's so that our vie doesnt hit.

Why are people saying "Devotion over Denouncement"? They're on different timers, so use them both! If you notice, you can almost chain cast between Denouncement & Devotion (hint*).

Devotion overwrites clerics massively superior Shining Rampart, you shouldn't be using devotion, currently, unless all your tanks have its vie buff blocked

March 9th, 2011
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*** Highlights ***

- Paladin - Swapped values on Denouncement and Denouncement Heal so that the spell will now heal more than it damages.
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- Paladin - Increased the refresh time of Righteous Indignation by three minutes.
We have a lot of SKs and at least in my allaince paladins have become healers and rarely off tank, he.

- Paladin - Armor of Courage Strike can now stun enemies up to level 93.
Not bad?

So the checklist went something like this:
"Does the change lower paladin DPS?"
"yes but-"
"Ok, push it live, our jobs are done here"