TSS knight top end 1hand

[boukk]

[Wyvernwill]

[boukk]

[Galelor]

[Draglin Stoneshield]

[Odrade]

Any 1 hander for paladin with no heal proc on it is useless.
Including the Dp weapon.
But giving us a weapon with a Hot proc on it that can be overidden by a Pok hot potion is just plain stupid.

[boukk]

Disagree, i find dpob rune IV proc way more useful than a heal proc.
This weapon just plain sux, this is no where close to the upgrade other class got in term of ratio, the hp are subpar (i mean even dual wield class has more hp on their weapons), no mod (even warweaver has some) and the proc is totaly unusable, i dont know anyone in my guild that would use that over eulogy.
Galedor, we arent shaman, hp on weapon doesnt matter a lot like it matter for caster cause it has no other use than bumping magelo hp, most important on defensive weapon for pal is proc , then stat then ratio, atleast to me.
Proc = totally useless
Ratio= rather small upgrade compared to the huge weapon upgrade other mele got so far
Stat = less than 10 ac, 60ish hp, still no mod

I wouldnt call that a solid upgrade, it s closer to a downgrade, cause eulogy will make better office of tanking weapon that this one.

[Dray]

[Galelor]

I play a pallly too, so saying i have no clue and trying to disreguard my voice because i am a shaman, is bit of a stretch... (note my AC chart... I like my pally and play the hell out of him...)
Also, on a personal note- I don't give a shit about damage/delay if i am using a 1 hander. I am useing a shield+1hander for added tankablility not for dps. The only thing I care about is AC and HP (and a decent proc...) If i want DPS i'll usually use a 2 hander...

We can look at past upgrades while excluding proc (we all agree this proc is super 1-900-MixALot worthless.) I'll also exclude misc stats...
These are the paths most raiding pallys take (imo.)

Hopebringer
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 41 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 25
STR: +15 STA: +20 WIS: +20 AGI: +25 HP: +185 MANA: +160
SV COLD: +25 SV MAGIC: +25
Strikethrough: +5%
Required level of 65.
Effect: Light of Marr (Combat)
WT: 1.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

VS.

Longsword of Execration
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 48 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 40
STR: +25 STA: +20 WIS: +25 INT: +25 AGI: +20 HP: +250 MANA: +230
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +25
Required level of 65.
Effect: Guard IV (Combat)
WT: 2.6 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

upgrade: Hopebringer (pop) to Longsword of Execration (GoD)
damage: +7
delay: even
ac: +15
hp: +65
mana: +70
resists: +20
strikethrough: -5


Longsword of Execration
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 48 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 40
STR: +25 STA: +20 WIS: +25 INT: +25 AGI: +20 HP: +250 MANA: +230
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +25
Required level of 65.
Effect: Guard IV (Combat)
WT: 2.6 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

VS.

Jagged Pureblade
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 52 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 30
DEX: +10 STA: +23 CHA: +17 WIS: +17 INT: +17 AGI: +23 HP: +280 MANA: +270 ENDUR: +270
SV COLD: +25 SV MAGIC: +30 SV POISON: +30
Required level of 70.
Effect: Rune IV (Combat) at Level 70
WT: 3.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

upgrade: Longsword of Execration (GoD) to Jagged Pureblade (oow mpg)
damage: +4
delay: even
ac: -10
hp: +30
mana: +40
resist: +15


Jagged Pureblade
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 52 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 30
DEX: +10 STA: +23 CHA: +17 WIS: +17 INT: +17 AGI: +23 HP: +280 MANA: +270 ENDUR: +270
SV COLD: +25 SV MAGIC: +30 SV POISON: +30
Required level of 70.
Effect: Rune IV (Combat) at Level 70
WT: 3.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

VS.

Blade of Forgotten Faith
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 32
DMG: 71 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 30
STR: +20 DEX: +16 STA: +11 WIS: +25 AGI: +18 HP: +315 MANA: +285 ENDUR: +285
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +15 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +15 SV POISON: +15
Required level of 70.
Effect: Cleansing of Marr (Combat) at Level 70
WT: 3.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

upgrade: Jagged Pureblade (oow mpg) to Blade of Forgotten Faith (oow anguish)
damage: +19
delay: + 7
ac: even
hp: +35
mana: +15
resist: even


Blade of Forgotten Faith
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 32
DMG: 71 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 30
STR: +20 DEX: +16 STA: +11 WIS: +25 AGI: +18 HP: +315 MANA: +285 ENDUR: +285
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +15 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +15 SV POISON: +15
Required level of 70.
Effect: Cleansing of Marr (Combat) at Level 70
WT: 3.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

VS.

Eulogy, the Bloodthirsty Blade
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 35
DMG: 85 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 38
Magic DMG: 1
STR: +25 STA: +25 CHA: +20 WIS: +20 INT: +20 HP: +345 MANA: +335
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV POISON: +25
Required level of 70.
Effect: Rune IV (Combat) at Level 70
WT: 3.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

upgrade: Blade of Forgotten Faith (oow anguish) to Eulogy, the Bloodthirsty Blade (DoD)
damage: +14
delay: +3
ac: +6
hp: +30
mana: +50
resists: EVEN


Eulogy, the Bloodthirsty Blade
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 35
DMG: 85 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 38
Magic DMG: 1
STR: +25 STA: +25 CHA: +20 WIS: +20 INT: +20 HP: +345 MANA: +335
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV POISON: +25
Required level of 70.
Effect: Rune IV (Combat) at Level 70
WT: 3.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

VS.

Frost Runed Blade of the Wraithguard
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 33
DMG: 90 Dmg Bonus: 16 AC: 47
STR: +28 STA: +33 CHA: +25 WIS: +26 INT: +26 AGI: +23 HP: +410 MANA: +390
SV FIRE: +35 SV DISEASE: +26 SV COLD: +34 SV POISON: +30
Required level of 75.
Effect: Celestial Elixir (Combat) at Level 75
WT: 2.2 Size: LARGE
Class: PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

upgrade: Eulogy, the Bloodthirsty Blade (DoD) to Frost Runed Blade of the Wraithguard (TSS)
damage: +5
delay: -2
ac: +9
hp: +65
mana: +45
resists: +40

[Galelor]

We really need to get the class corrispondant in on this discussion and get this proc fixed...

[dindaur]

change it to a hb style tap proc, or else arune

[Coupdvil]

Definitely agree with Dindaur, maybe a tad better group heal or Rune V.

[boukk]

better be rune V, ae hate + 700dmg mitigated ftw.
And for galedor yes it s an upgrade to eulogy in term of hp and ratio, but it s way too small upgrade compared to the huge ratio boost other mele got on their dual wiel weapon, they even got more hp than use, that s lame.
Swiftcleave used to have 310hp and eulogy 345, latest dual wield weapon have now 450hp and we have 410hp? Tell me that s right?

[Rathimis Dragonmist]

[chinger]

[Brohg]

[Dray]

[Ragaroth]

[Galelor]

[boukk]

This is far from being a valid upgrade comparativly speaking (to other weapons)
From Swiftcleave ( http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=83576 ) to Arcekor ( http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=46904 )

for rog, from Sister oppulent backstabber ( http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=83578 ) to Embershank, the malady ( http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=46927 )

Considering that from swiftcleave to arcekor u gain 23dmg and get penalty of 7delay and this is a freaking dual wielding Weapon! not a 2hand or Knight 1hand, this is bout 70% upgrade on dmg and Delay 30% worse but, if we would take same number for upgrade to eulogy, that would roughly be a 59dmg upgrade for a delay being bout 10 longer, would be a weapon of 139dmg 45 dlay, We re hella far from it.

Can notice also their hp upgrade, from swiftcleave to arcekor, 100hp

From sister to embershank , 140hp

We only gain 65hp from our upgrade.

Same notice and complain been made on sk forum, so luckily both our correspondant could work together with merloc on that one.

Any sign of life from hulk?

[Galelor]

[Hulkling]

[Samanna]

[Micker]

[dindaur]

[boukk]

[Artax]

[Dray]

[Galelor]

[Dray]

[Lode Rah'Xephon]

[ZsaZsa Vavoom]

[Ashramm Damodred]

[Odrade]

[Dray]

[Galelor]

[Hulkling]

[Ughbash]

In fairness you are comparing all teh wrong weapnos for dual wielders.

These were weapons that were supposed to replace epic 2.5, if you compare them that way they are not as much of an upgrade. Since paladins did not have a 1 handed epic 2.5, its a it harder to judge.

[Wyvernwill]

[Ughbash]