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The Spirit Realm • View topic - Any thoughts on race advantage for a Bard?
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Any thoughts on race advantage for a Bard?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:16 pm
by Bigcat Daddy-o

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:54 pm
by Idracab
You're going to be getting all the illusion masks you can, so it doesn't matter a whit what your original race is. :) Go Drakkin because you'll be able to get other race illusion masks (is there a drakkin mask yet?).

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:00 pm
by Samanna

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:13 pm
by Frogbait

Re: Any thoughts on race advantage for a Bard?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:42 pm
by Ughbash

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:38 pm
by Valdemar

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:51 am
by Grokii

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:53 am
by Grokii

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:26 am
by Zyba

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:40 pm
by Samanna

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:59 pm
by Eirgorn

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:22 pm
by Zyba

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:45 pm
by Macnair

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:01 pm
by Bigcat Daddy-o

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:18 am
by Ughbash

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:23 pm
by Valdemar

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:46 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:28 pm
by Zyba

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:35 pm
by Bigcat Daddy-o

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:57 pm
by Zyba

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:30 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:10 am
by Ughbash

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:05 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:08 pm
by Macnair

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:10 pm
by Samanna

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:51 pm
by WaringMcMarrin

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:51 pm
by Samanna

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:45 am
by Valdemar
Sorry for the delay in getting back to the boards.

Warring, thanks for taking the time to do your Magelo experiment. I'm not sure why it shows the two characters with equal hitpoints. It shouldn't, but it does. Most puzzling. I've tried to think of various reasons for this, but I'm stumped.

If you're willing to perform another experiment, it will show that different STA scores do make a difference in hitpoints. Here's the gig:

1) Create a level 1 'toon of any race and any class, but make sure that no points are added to STA.
2) Enter the tutorial newbie garden and record your starting hitpoints.
3) Level the character to level 2.
4) Record the new hitpoint total.

Now, create a new level 1 'toon of the same race and class, but dump as many points into STA as possible. Repeat steps one through four. You will see that they have more hitpoints. The best 'toon to do this on is an Ogre WAR because the hitpoint difference is dramatic.

Also, I know from personal experience that increasing your native STA does increase your hitpoints. When I was 51...way back in the day...I gained 5 AAs in STA before I leveled to 52. My native (no gear, no buffs) hitpoints increased by about 50 points from that 10 point increase in my STA. I did this experiment several more times with my wife's 'toons where we'd add 5 STA at 51 without leveling or changing gear, and sure enough, more hitpoints - both geared and nekked. Some classes will get more hitpoints that others, because the hitpoint bonus from STA varies by class type, but everybody gets more hitpoints with higher native STA.

Why the Magelo contradicts this, I do not know. All I know is that this is how it works in the game. :)

Regards.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:40 am
by Amanensia

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:03 am
by Kianor

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:15 am
by Valdemar

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:22 am
by Kianor
Valdemar, no-one is denying that more sta = more HP, and that that is a good thing. I don't doubt that adding 10 sta AA gave you more HP, because your sta was uncapped.

However, you specifically said that if two characters have the same sta, then the one with higher "native" sta will have more HP. This is wrong. Same sta will mean the same HP, and it doesn't matter where that sta comes from. This is why the sta cap is important, once you have enough gear to reach that, then it doesn't matter what your starting sta was.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:29 am
by Valdemar

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:59 am
by Amanensia

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:45 pm
by Veril
I remember capping my Sta and Wis both as far back as level 60 (in Velious gear from Temple of Veeshan). It's really easy to cap stats these days. Especially as a shaman.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:03 pm
by Siocnarf
Once your near max level (80) and have full suit 200+ hp gear you should be maxed in related to your class stats what ever race you choosed.Of course if your a ogre warrior and want to max int for tradeskills then it might become harder then if you were a human and such.But once your in the level 70 + range with 200+ hps gear ( if not 150 + for war/monk/rog/zerk) the races becomes pretty much blurred out stats wise.The only difference is how many shrink u require and other racial traits (frontal stun immune,sneak,hide,safe fall,food consumption rate,regen rate,racial bash,faction ( for older content),ac bonus (iksar),innate forage,etc (most likely more i forgot here)).

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:38 pm
by Zyba
You forgot nightvision!!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:53 pm
by Caythy

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:17 pm
by Zyba